On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 02:38:01PM +0100, Aurélien Jarno wrote:
Sven Luther a écrit :
- Not having slower arches hold up testing.
Slower arches don't hold up testing. Arches with buildd not well managed do.
Ok, drop this argument, but what do you think of the rest of the proposal
On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 02:57:54PM +0100, Frank Küster wrote:
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They don't scale well, and have passed the past couple of year insisting
that
there is no problem apart from the waste majority of DDs likeing to complain
and flame overmuch.
I do
On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 01:49:24PM +, Colin Watson wrote:
On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 11:11:55AM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 02:12:48AM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
Where human delay did come into play was in getting the xfree86 mess
cleaned; in theory it should
-only after Sarge is
released.
seconded, and ubuntu has proven that it is possible.
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That means that only x86 and amd64 are going to be tier one arches ? That is
worse that what was even in the announcement, and i hope i misunderstood this.
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On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 04:44:27PM +0100, David Schmitt wrote:
On Monday 14 March 2005 14:29, Sven Luther wrote:
Obviously the aim is to have the tier 2
arches dropped from the main ftp-servers of debian (do we still run some of
those on sun-donated sparc machines though ?), and going
On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 03:24:06PM +0100, Aurélien Jarno wrote:
Sven Luther a écrit :
On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 02:38:01PM +0100, Aurélien Jarno wrote:
Sven Luther a écrit :
- Not having slower arches hold up testing.
Slower arches don't hold up testing. Arches with buildd not well
problems ? there has not been a concise description of said
problems, nor of which of those will be solved with the drastic steps
preconised.
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On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 04:17:45PM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
Hi, Sven Luther wrote:
What about building the scc (or tier 2 as i would say) arches from testing
and
not unstable ?
That would negate one of the main points of having Testing, i.e. something
that's supposed
should have been taken.
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On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 03:56:34PM +, Scott James Remnant wrote:
On Mon, 2005-03-14 at 11:13 +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 10:16:20AM +, Martin Michlmayr wrote:
* Aurélien Jarno [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-03-14 10:56]:
Would it be possible to have a list
arch support wait a minute, we already have ubuntu who
split of into his main-arch-support only corner :)
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that it would be difficult for the security team or other
groups to keep up with things growing the way they are.
So, if there is too much work for a small group, then open it out. But it is
not by insulting the people you need the help from that things will get
forward.
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at the mailing list archives, there where enough threads about this in
the past few years.
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carrying large portions of it are saying they can't do this any more.
Notice too that the exact same people whose help is needed are those that are
pissed by this proposal, and whose help has been repeteadly rejected in the
past.
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Not, since sarge will now be delayed a couple of month as we all degenerate in
intestine flamewar, and future debian will have lost his sould in this, so it
will not really be debian, the universal OS, as we know it anymore.
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release a stable.
What is the detailed reasoning for this requirement anyway ? And would a
ten-way redundant distcc cluster count as one machine ?
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are
from not-mainstream arches ? i bet it may well be around 10% in both
maintainers and amount of packages concerned.
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vetoed amd64-in-sarge in that sad story all those
days ago.
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the ubuntu kernel does,
so this will be a moot point in the future, and the new kernel-team is rather
fit and responsive, and welcoming of help.
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On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 09:53:38AM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 11:17:55AM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
Like said, since ubuntu has mplayer, there is really no reason to stale it
for
debian now.
I cannot speak for anyone regarding the specific case of mplayer
On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 06:20:23PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
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I don't really understand that point though, since the plan is to drop
mirror
support for all minor arches, what does it cost to have a 3 level archive
support :
1) tier 1
On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 06:43:21PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
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Where human delay did come into play was in getting the xfree86 mess
cleaned; in theory it should have taken one or two days, but in
practice it took much longer.
Why not fully
is to drop from stable/testing altogether,
isn't it ?
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done doing less because they have to duplicate all the architecture
already in place for tier1, no ?
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On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 11:54:32AM -0500, Stephen Gran wrote:
This one time, at band camp, Sven Luther said:
On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 05:03:30PM +0100, David Schmitt wrote:
Thus the problem is less in the development and more in the support
of testing requirements (all arches in sync
On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 08:07:03PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
Op ma, 14-03-2005 te 19:15 +0100, schreef Sven Luther:
so the buildd admin really examine all the packages for deviation that a
compromised buildd could have incorporated before signing them ? Or that
they
scan the machine
On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 10:21:13PM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
Sven Luther wrote:
In fact I strongly suggest switching to source-only after Sarge is
released.
seconded, and ubuntu has proven that it is possible.
Ubuntu this, ubuntu that, ubuntu there, ...
EH, just because ubuntu did
On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 09:08:15PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
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On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 10:16:20AM +, Martin Michlmayr wrote:
* Aurélien Jarno [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-03-14 10:56]:
Would it be possible to have a list of such proposed
On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 11:34:19AM -0500, Stephen Gran wrote:
This one time, at band camp, Sven Luther said:
On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 09:27:25AM -0500, Stephen Gran wrote:
This one time, at band camp, Ingo Juergensmann said:
On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 12:47:58PM +0100, Julien BLACHE wrote
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Oh, do you know when ubuntu started hiring debian devels ? I think it is at
least one year ago, but they may have started earlier than that.
Not saying that means anything, but i do believe that ubuntu already existed
at the time when the amd64 decision was made.
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On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 04:10:23PM -0300, Humberto Massa wrote:
Sven Luther wrote:
incremental building supported? And finally, why isn't it considered a
technical solution?
Because it is not needed for the fast tier1 arches ?
This is a chicken-and-egg thing, isn't
will result in fixed binaries. This is a security
fix, so it's especially important that the binaries get fixed.
BTW, what about ccache ?
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On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 10:40:01AM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 07:06:15PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
Yeah, ok, but mplayer was rejected, and is now in many-year-NEW-limbo, for
licencing reasons, which i believe are the same for ubuntu and debian, maybe
worse
On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 08:04:53PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 19:11:01 +0100, Sven Luther
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Well, it just calls for smarther mirroring tricks.
Do not expect mirror admins to run Debian, and to be willing to pull
smart mirroring tricks.
What do
for their
time and work as well as their commitment to the project.
Yep, but even on the d-i team, it seems the work of all those non-first-tier
arches was worthless after all, and not taken in consideration.
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On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 09:09:10AM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 06:27:04PM +0100, David Schmitt wrote:
On Monday 14 March 2005 14:06, Sven Luther wrote:
There was no comment from the security team about this new plan, we don't
know for sure that this is the problem
On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 02:11:35PM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 10:50:42PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 10:40:01AM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
I don't know who rejected mplayer, so I can't answer this directly, but I
am
confident
the dropped arches porters, just that they are left to
work out their stuff alone.
I wonder also, do we still not have some sun donated sparc box running part of
our infrastructure ? How will that stay if we drop sparc support ?
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than handing done a couple of taken decision disguised as proposal ?
It is not too late for this yet, but there needs to be a real discussion with
real facts, and not just a list of resolution letting 8/11th of the project in
the cold.
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On Mon, 14 Mar 2005, Sven Luther wrote:
Yes, but the utherly arrogant and despreciating way in how this announcement
Chill out. It was a RFC, and it was labelled as such. It may not be perfect,
and obviously
On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 02:30:03PM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 11:02:40PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
Ok, so why doesn't mplayer get's accepted in debian now ?
I have no idea, nor is it my responsibility to know. I can only say that
your claims so far are all
On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 12:45:14AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 10:20:00PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
But you would notice all this just the same if the signing where automated,
don't you ?
Possibly; however, it wouldn't buy us much (signing successful build
logs
tier-1 arches instead of letting it eat up our users data
without warning :)
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brought to my attention by either Fabio or Martin.
Because they are in the security-announce-loop and we are not though, right ?
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On Tue, 15 Mar 2005, Sven Luther wrote:
Where are the minutes of the discussion, where are detailed explanation of
the
problems trying to be sovled ? Where is a call to alternative solution ?
Where
is a call
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Well, it just calls
that help be
provided ?
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On Tue, Mar 08, 2005 at 06:12:03AM -0800, Anthony Towns wrote:
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It's hard to take this sort of discussion as anything but an attack
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affs-modules-2.6.8-power4-di - Amiga filesystem support (udeb)
affs-modules-2.6.8-powerpc-di - Amiga filesystem support (udeb)
cdrom-core-modules-2.6.8-power3-di
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Source: advi
Binary: advi
Architecture: source powerpc
Version: 1.6.0-4
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian OCaml Maintainers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Description:
network-console - Provides a console via ssh (udeb)
network-console-config - Debian base system configurator - network console
Changes:
network-console (0.0.11) unstable; urgency=low
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* Sven Luther
- Moved reseting
: unstable
Urgency: high
Maintainer: Debian Kernel Team [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description:
kernel-build-2.6.8-power3 - build infrastructure for kernel version
2.6.8-power3
kernel-build-2.6.8-power3-smp - build infrastructure for kernel version
2.6.8-power3
kernel-image-2.6-powerpc kernel-image-2.4-powerpc-smp
kernel-image-power4
Architecture: source powerpc
Version: 100
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: high
Maintainer: Debian kernel team [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description:
kernel-headers-2.4-powerpc - Linux kernel
-build-2.6.9-powerpc-smp
kernel-image-2.6.9-power4 kernel-image-power4
Architecture: source powerpc all
Version: 2.6.9-2
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian Kernel Team [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description:
kernel-build-2.6.9-power3 - build
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Source: lablgtk
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Architecture: source powerpc
Version: 1.2.7-2
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed
On Sun, Dec 05, 2004 at 02:03:13PM -0500, Adam C Powell IV wrote:
On Tue, 2004-11-30 at 21:17, Sven Luther wrote:
On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 01:03:59PM -0700, Al Stone wrote:
Hmmm. 'apt-get upgrade' this morning seems to have fixed it
all -- so it would seem that the autobuilders got caught
.exp.2
Distribution: experimental
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Parted Maintainer Team [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description:
libparted1.6-12 - The GNU Parted disk partitioning shared library
libparted1.6-dbg - The GNU Parted disk partitioning library debug development
On Sat, Nov 27, 2004 at 07:07:23PM +0100, Julien BLACHE wrote:
Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ce coup ci, c'est presque sur que je pourais venir, donc compter moi pour
OK, confirme-moi ça quand ce sera certain, je te prévoirai un badge.
Ok. En fait c'est sur sauf reel
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Version: 2.4.0+2004.11.19-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED
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Source: advi
Binary: advi
Architecture: source powerpc
Version: 1.6.0-3
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian OCaml Maintainers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Sven Luther [EMAIL
.exp.1
Distribution: experimental
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Parted Maintainer Team [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description:
libparted1.6-12 - The GNU Parted disk partitioning shared library
libparted1.6-dbg - The GNU Parted disk partitioning library debug development
contribuer une machine pegasos 2 pour cela aussi, au besoin.
Amicalement,
Sven Luther
: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description:
ocaml - ML language implementation with a class-based object system
ocaml-base - Runtime system for ocaml bytecode executables
ocaml-base-nox - Runtime system for ocaml
.exp.1
Distribution: experimental
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Parted Maintainer Team [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description:
libparted1.6-12 - The GNU Parted disk partitioning shared library
libparted1.6-dbg - The GNU Parted disk partitioning library debug development
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