Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-20 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op zondag 20 juli 2014 13:52:20 schreef Peter Palfrader: On Sun, 20 Jul 2014, Wouter Verhelst wrote: These are all good arguments for enabling HTTPS and making it the default (which I've said repeatedly is a move that I support, or at the very least don't oppose), but not for *disabling

Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-20 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op zondag 20 juli 2014 13:28:43 schreef Marc Haber: On Sun, 20 Jul 2014 13:21:03 +0200, Wouter Verhelst w...@uter.be wrote: Op zondag 20 juli 2014 11:38:13 schreef Marc Haber: I might me missing something, and I admit not having read the entire thread, but how would they have access

Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-20 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op zondag 20 juli 2014 18:19:14 schreef Peter Palfrader: On Sun, 20 Jul 2014, Wouter Verhelst wrote: These are all good arguments for enabling HTTPS and making it the default (which I've said repeatedly is a move that I support, or at the very least don't oppose

Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-19 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op zondag 13 juli 2014 22:13:10 schreef Martin Zobel-Helas: Furthermore, we will change the people.debian.org web-service such that only HTTPS connections will be supported (unencrypted requests will be redirected). Why? Please note that there remain cases where accessing HTTPS is difficult

Re: concurrent installation of different pkg versions

2014-05-07 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi Charles, Op zaterdag 26 april 2014 14:29:44 schreef Charles Plessy: Le Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 10:11:58PM -0700, Steve Langasek a écrit : On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 02:07:22PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: Le Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 11:41:17AM +0800, Paul Wise a écrit : On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at

Re: debconf reconfiguration from postinst of another package

2014-05-07 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi Jonas, [re-sending, since my first attempt did not make the list] Op vrijdag 18 april 2014 12:43:40 schreef Jonas Smedegaard: Thanks, but (again) I am sorry if it was not clear: The *question* is about *debconf* irregardless of the *example* involving other details. Here's another

Re: Non-source Javascript files in upstream source

2014-05-07 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op vrijdag 2 mei 2014 15:58:37 schreef Paul Tagliamonte: If you were to 'update' the image, how would you do it? What things would you need? Include that. Think about what you'd need when you fork the project. Does that mean I should include wget? Most minified externally-produced javascript

Re: lintian source-is-missing for jquery -- was Re: Bug#744699: Frets On Fire bug report 744699

2014-05-07 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 11:07:53AM +0100, Neil Williams wrote: No. The requirement is that the source is part of the source package. [citation needed] The only requirement I know of is that the source is part of *a* source package, not necessarily the same one. (consider Built-Using) -- It

Re: Non-source Javascript files in upstream source

2014-05-07 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op woensdag 7 mei 2014 20:14:50 schreef Ben Finney: Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org writes: Op vrijdag 2 mei 2014 15:58:37 schreef Paul Tagliamonte: If you were to 'update' the image, how would you do it? What things would you need? Include that. Think about what you'd need when you

Re: debconf reconfiguration from postinst of another package

2014-05-07 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op woensdag 7 mei 2014 12:59:57 schreef Jonas Smedegaard: Hi Wouter, Quoting Wouter Verhelst (2014-05-07 11:34:23) What you seem to want is a unified and standardized way for one package to provide an API for changing things about how the package will function, to other packages

Re: debconf reconfiguration from postinst of another package

2014-05-07 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op woensdag 7 mei 2014 12:19:31 schreef Philip Hands: Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org writes: One way this could work is by adding a SETOTHER message (name could probably be better), which asks debconf to change a value for a given debconf question in another package ONLY

Re: Non-source Javascript files in upstream source

2014-05-07 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op woensdag 7 mei 2014 23:18:00 schreef Ben Finney: Wouter Verhelst w...@uter.be writes: The point is, I'm having a hard time buying the argument that if the minified javascript was unmodified, and if the non-minified javascript library is in the archive (or a version of said javascript

Re: Non-source Javascript files in upstream source

2014-05-06 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op zaterdag 26 april 2014 16:51:57 schreef Ben Finney: Steve M. Robbins st...@sumost.ca writes: On April 25, 2014 11:02:29 PM Ben Finney wrote: We promise the source for everything any recipient downloads as part of Debian. If non-source files are distributed in Debian source

Re: lintian source-is-missing for jquery -- was Re: Bug#744699: Frets On Fire bug report 744699

2014-05-06 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op vrijdag 25 april 2014 19:34:02 schreef Daniel Pocock: When FTP masters approve a package from NEW, they might well see that the js is not really in use - but somebody (upstream or maintainer) may change something after 6 months and the js does get used That argument goes for just about any

Accepted fdpowermon 1.13 (source all)

2014-04-28 Thread Wouter Verhelst
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 21:49:33 +0200 Source: fdpowermon Binary: fdpowermon fdpowermon-icons Architecture: source all Version: 1.13 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org Changed-By: Wouter

Bug#745385: ITP: ola -- open lighting architecture

2014-04-21 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org * Package name: ola Version : 0.9.0 Upstream Author : the Open Lighting team open-light...@googlegroups.com * URL : http://www.openlighting.org/ * License : GPL, LGPL Programming Lang

Re: Having fun with the following C code (UB)

2014-04-10 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 09:07:14AM +0100, Mathieu Malaterre wrote: Here is a little bug I just discovered: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/22664658/finding-off-t-size For reference, here are the packages affected in debian: http://codesearch.debian.net/search?q=LARGE_OFF_T For

Re: systemd and Linux are *fundamentally incompatible* - and I can prove it

2014-04-10 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Apr 03, 2014 at 09:19:54PM +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote: previously on this list The Wanderer contributed: I was explicitly referring to the point in the future when maintainers do stop providing traditional init scripts. This likely won't happen that fast, no, but I do think it's

Re: Having fun with the following C code (UB)

2014-04-10 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 12:29:50PM +0200, Jakub Wilk wrote: * Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org, 2014-04-10, 12:03: I've had to figure out the size of off_t in nbd-server, and have been doing it without relying on overflow, for years now. It took quite a few iterations to get it right

Re: ca-certificates: no more cacert.org certificates?!?

2014-03-24 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 02:58:55PM +0100, Peter Palfrader wrote: On Mon, 24 Mar 2014, Adrien CLERC wrote: Le 24/03/2014 14:23, Raphael Geissert a écrit : Anyway, I strongly recommend that nobody waste their time on an issue which in a couple of years will be much less relevant thanks to

Re: libphobos-dev build-dep

2014-03-23 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 12:53:55AM +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote: Steve Langasek, le Sat 22 Mar 2014 12:43:56 -0700, a écrit : Um, no, build-depending on virtual packages is absolutely allowed. Yes, but something has to make the buildd pick up one package which provides it. It won't decide

Accepted pmw 1:4.28-1 (source amd64 all)

2014-03-23 Thread Wouter Verhelst
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 11:01:18 +0100 Source: pmw Binary: pmw pmw-doc Architecture: source amd64 all Version: 1:4.28-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org Changed-By: Wouter Verhelst wou

Accepted nbd 1:3.8-1 (source amd64)

2014-03-21 Thread Wouter Verhelst
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 11:05:38 +0100 Source: nbd Binary: nbd-server nbd-client nbd-client-udeb Architecture: source amd64 Version: 1:3.8-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org Changed

Accepted fdpowermon 1.12 (source all)

2014-03-12 Thread Wouter Verhelst
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 09:40:56 +0100 Source: fdpowermon Binary: fdpowermon fdpowermon-icons Architecture: source all Version: 1.12 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org Changed-By: Wouter

Re: contrib and nonfree distribs

2014-03-03 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Mar 03, 2014 at 02:16:37PM +0100, Solal Rastier wrote: The installer recommend contrib and nonfree... No, it does not. -- This end should point toward the ground if you want to go to space. If it starts pointing toward space you are having a bad problem and you will not go to space

Re: contrib and nonfree distribs

2014-02-28 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op vrijdag 28 februari 2014 10:35:15 schreef Solal Rastier: Why the nonfree and contrib distributions aren't removed? Because unfortunately the free software foundation believes documentation doesn't need to be free, and we can't put non-free documentation in main. -- This end should point

Accepted partman-nbd 0.22 (source all)

2014-02-24 Thread Wouter Verhelst
-By: Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org Description: partman-nbd - Adds support for NBD to partman (udeb) Changes: partman-nbd (0.22) unstable; urgency=medium . [ Wouter Verhelst ] * resolv.c: fix IPv6 case and move to debian-installer-utils. * Since resolv was our only compiled binary, revert

Re: Re: Upstart support for LSB headers (Two line init.d scripts? Sure, that will work!)

2014-02-18 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 02:00:36PM +0400, Sergey B Kirpichev wrote: On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 10:19:24PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 03:28:30PM +0400, Sergey B Kirpichev wrote: Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk: Doesn't matter) rc.local shouldn't be used

Re: pulseaudio related problems....

2014-02-18 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 05:25:13PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le lundi 17 février 2014 à 13:24 +, Wookey a écrit : The main complaint in this thread seems to be 'my sound worked with ALSA, but installing PA stopped/stops it working'. It seems to me that PA should try very hard to

Re: pulseaudio related problems....

2014-02-17 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 08:57:53AM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: On 02/17/2014 08:37 AM, Chow Loong Jin wrote: It might just be that DDs/computer experts just have more customized setups that break in interesting ways when effort isn't spent porting the configuration changes

Re: Re: Upstart support for LSB headers (Two line init.d scripts? Sure, that will work!)

2014-02-16 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 03:28:30PM +0400, Sergey B Kirpichev wrote: Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk: Doesn't matter) rc.local shouldn't be used by local admin to start services from. Why not use usual init-script? I wouldn't be surprised if rc.local has been around longer than

Re: when will we finally throw away binary uploads (Re: Please upgrade your build environment when you are affected by transition

2014-02-14 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 11:52:01PM +, Colin Watson wrote: On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 10:17:46PM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote: See https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=html2text - you can only hope that I've build it in a clean environment and there aint a logfile for the amd64

Re: when will we finally throw away binary uploads (Re: Please upgrade your build environment when you are affected by transition

2014-02-14 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 02:10:38PM +0100, Jakub Wilk wrote: * Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org, 2014-02-14, 14:01: I'm told there's at least some magic address you can mail the logs to, but I never remember what it is. (It's all a workaround anyway.) l...@buildd.debian.org The mail's

Accepted fdpowermon 1.11 (source all)

2014-02-14 Thread Wouter Verhelst
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 11:16:56 +0100 Source: fdpowermon Binary: fdpowermon fdpowermon-icons Architecture: source all Version: 1.11 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org Changed-By: Wouter

Re: Bug#737634: dpkg-dev: please reject native/non-native version when building native/non-native source packages

2014-02-10 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Sigh. On Wed, Feb 05, 2014 at 12:59:23PM +, Neil Williams wrote: Using packages to support upstream development is a common problem and this is exactly where things get awkward. No, it is not a *problem*; it is a *method* of doing things. It is not your place (nor mine) to question

Re: Valve games for Debian Developers

2014-01-22 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 01:00:10AM +0100, Michael Banck wrote: On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 03:26:26AM +0330, ?? ?? wrote: Hey, this looks more like an anti-Valve trap for DDs aimed to slow down development of Debian as base of Steam OS by steering their time spending from

Accepted nbd 1:3.7-1 (source amd64)

2014-01-21 Thread Wouter Verhelst
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 22:38:18 +0100 Source: nbd Binary: nbd-server nbd-client nbd-client-udeb Architecture: source amd64 Version: 1:3.7-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org Changed

Re: GPLv2-only considered harmful [was Re: GnuTLS in Debian]

2014-01-06 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op 05-01-14 15:57, Clint Adams schreef: On Sat, Jan 04, 2014 at 05:07:29PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: This goes for GPLvX or later, but also for other or later licenses, where they exist. I'm convinced that the GPLv2 is a free license, but I'm so far undecided on the GPLv3 (mainly because

Re: Fwd: Re: several SIGSEGV bugs in debian 7/AMD64

2014-01-04 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op 28-12-13 21:52, René Kuligowski schreef: Hi Adrian, Thanks for your quick answer,… but (sounds like a pouting little boy, I know): Sorry, but I cannot file a bug report against, say, nvidia-glx, because it is most likely not the cause. The problem is far more likely kernel 3.x-

Re: GnuTLS in Debian

2014-01-04 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op 23-12-13 23:43, Clint Adams schreef: GPLv2-only folks should be made to see how their antisocial behavior is harming everyone. I think this is a delightful situation for them to be in. I am not a member of the church of GNU, nor do I wish to be. I respect Richard Stallman (and his band of

Accepted nbd 1:3.6-1 (source amd64)

2014-01-03 Thread Wouter Verhelst
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2014 23:58:17 +0100 Source: nbd Binary: nbd-server nbd-client nbd-client-udeb Architecture: source amd64 Version: 1:3.6-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org Changed

Accepted pmw 1:4.27-1 (source amd64 all)

2013-12-18 Thread Wouter Verhelst
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 12:55:01 +0100 Source: pmw Binary: pmw pmw-doc Architecture: source amd64 all Version: 1:4.27-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org Changed-By: Wouter Verhelst wou

Re: Release sprint results - team changes, auto-rm and arch status

2013-12-01 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op 28-11-13 21:04, Niels Thykier schreef: It has also come to our attention that a few buildds do not use throw-away chroots. This sometimes results in unclean builds and we have therefore decided to only consider architectures which use throw-away chroots for all suites on all buildds as

Accepted nbd 1:3.5-1 (source amd64)

2013-12-01 Thread Wouter Verhelst
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 14:10:44 +0100 Source: nbd Binary: nbd-server nbd-client nbd-client-udeb Architecture: source amd64 Version: 1:3.5-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org Changed

Re: debconf as a registry

2013-11-26 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op 27-11-13 02:44, Joey Hess schreef: Bas Wijnen wrote: Currently, many packages only do 2 (Citation needed.) packages should implement parsing code for it in its config script. My point is that this results in needless code duplication. Therefore I would like to move this parsing code

Re: Jessie release goal: DNSSEC as default recursive resolver

2013-11-05 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op 03-11-13 16:21, Thomas Goirand schreef: On 10/30/2013 10:56 PM, Wouter Verhelst wrote: At any rate, my main point was that we should not default to using a system-local recursive resolver which ignores the ISP-provided one, just because that's the easiest way to do DNSSEC these days

Re: Jessie release goal: DNSSEC as default recursive resolver

2013-11-05 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op 03-11-13 19:05, Marko Randjelovic schreef: On Sun, 3 Nov 2013 12:32:40 +0100 Bastian Blank wa...@debian.org wrote: On Sun, Nov 03, 2013 at 11:15:36AM +0100, Marko Randjelovic wrote: Just to say we should not expect to much from DNSSEC because DNSSEC is centralized: Could you explain

Re: Potential issues for most ports (Was: Re: Bits from the Release Team (Jessie freeze info))

2013-11-05 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op 05-11-13 19:50, Don Armstrong schreef: On Tue, 05 Nov 2013, Don Armstrong wrote: On Tue, 05 Nov 2013, Niels Thykier wrote: In this regard; I am guilty of filing some those bugs without tagging them. Honestly, adding the tags get a bit in the way right now. If a package FTBFS on 4

Re: Bug#728809: ITP: ndt -- A network diagnostic tool.

2013-11-05 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op 05-11-13 19:52, Dominic Hamon schreef: Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Dominic Hamon domi...@google.com * Package name: ndt Version : 3.6.5.2 * URL : http://www.internet2.edu/performance/ndt/ * License : BSD Programming Lang: C, C++, Java

Re: Potential issues for most ports (Was: Re: Bits from the Release Team (Jessie freeze info))

2013-11-05 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op 05-11-13 20:40, Steven Chamberlain schreef: [pseudopackages] Would that be only for generic issues with a port, not specific to a package? I doubt this would be used much. These bugs might typically be reassigned to kernel packages or eglibc anyway. Eventually, yes, but that doesn't

Accepted nbd 1:3.4-2 (source amd64)

2013-11-05 Thread Wouter Verhelst
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2013 16:51:16 +0100 Source: nbd Binary: nbd-server nbd-client nbd-client-udeb Architecture: source amd64 Version: 1:3.4-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org Changed

Re: Bug#727708: tech-ctte: Decide which init system to default to in Debian.

2013-10-31 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op 31-10-13 02:50, Theodore Ts'o schreef: On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 06:18:29PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: I suspect you and I have a root disagreement over the utility of exposing some of those degrees of freedom to every init script author, but if you have some more specific examples of policy

Re: Proposal: switch default desktop to xfce

2013-10-31 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op 30-10-13 23:09, Steve McIntyre schreef: Having said that, I do think that providing a limited number of CD install images is useful for those cases of retrocomputing where installing off DVD is difficult. Other than that... So... In that situation, would you care about having more than

Re: Bug#727708: tech-ctte: Decide which init system to default to in Debian.

2013-10-31 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op 30-10-13 16:58, Tollef Fog Heen schreef: ]] Wouter Verhelst Yes, absense of documentation is common on Unix and Linux systems; but no, I do not think that this is okay, or that we should in any way encourage that sort of thing. By absense of documentation, are you referring

Re: Bug#727708: tech-ctte: Decide which init system to default to in Debian.

2013-10-30 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op 29-10-13 09:26, Steve Langasek schreef: I see no reason that, if upstart were chosen as the default, porters could not use it for our non-Linux ports as well. With some work, sure. This is a much better outcome across our distribution as a whole than to require developers to continue

Re: Jessie release goal: DNSSEC as default recursive resolver

2013-10-30 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op 29-10-13 17:35, Ian Jackson schreef: Wouter Verhelst writes (Re: Jessie release goal: DNSSEC as default recursive resolver): There is nothing in DNSSEC which makes it inherently incompatible with using DNS forwarders. Talking to the root DNS servers is fun and all, but there's really

Re: Bug#727708: tech-ctte: Decide which init system to default to in Debian.

2013-10-30 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op 30-10-13 00:16, Russ Allbery schreef: Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez clo...@igalia.com writes: On 28/10/13 20:14, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: For those who haven't seen it, Lennart has posted some of his comments about all this on G+:

Re: Bug#727708: tech-ctte: Decide which init system to default to in Debian.

2013-10-28 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 11:20:21AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: Right. Whichever init system we pick, I do expect the next step to be to drop the requirement to maintain sysvinit backwards-compatibility; While I'm not sure from your mail whether you meant to suggest otherwise, I do think that

Re: Proposal: switch default desktop to xfce

2013-10-28 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op 25-10-13 14:45, Adam Sampson schreef: Steve McIntyre st...@einval.com writes: We *could* just drop all the CD sets and be done with it, just keeping the netinst CD and the DVDs. Is that what people really want? As a longtime Debian user, that would suit me fine -- I've not done a

Re: Proposal: switch default desktop to xfce

2013-10-28 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op 25-10-13 12:10, Thomas Goirand schreef: On 10/25/2013 07:52 AM, Paul Wise wrote: On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 7:47 AM, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: Debian is the Universal OS, isn't it? Part of being a 'Universal OS' is being useful to as many people as possible, including people who don't

Re: Proposal: switch default desktop to xfce

2013-10-28 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op 25-10-13 15:43, Olav Vitters schreef: On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 01:41:23PM +0100, Neil Williams wrote: There is no good reason other than that's the way GNOME has been written. So change the code and get GNOME to behave properly. Because you raise this again: - No maintenance on ConsoleKit

Re: Proposal: switch default desktop to xfce

2013-10-28 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op 25-10-13 19:32, Sune Vuorela schreef: Why not consolidate on shared code rather than having several bits providing the similar functionality for fairly simple tasks ? That's a (very!) fair argument, but there's nothing in that argument which means it absolutely totally *has* to be part of a

Re: Jessie release goal: DNSSEC as default recursive resolver

2013-10-28 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op 28-10-13 19:28, Thomas Goirand schreef: So, as per the replies we've read, it seems that the only way to implement DNSSEC would be to first check if it works, and if it doesn't, fallback to the locally provided recursive DNS server. This feels upside down to me. There is nothing in DNSSEC

Re: bits from the DPL -- September 2013

2013-10-10 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 09-10-13 07:58, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: other - Debian Code of Conduct (C: http://deb.li/3wRWh N: iterate with a new version?) Yes, indeed. Unfortunately, since debconf, I've been extremely swamped with work, which is why no further updates on this point have been forthcoming from me

Accepted nbd 1:3.4-1 (source amd64)

2013-10-07 Thread Wouter Verhelst
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2013 19:03:24 +0200 Source: nbd Binary: nbd-server nbd-client nbd-client-udeb Architecture: source amd64 Version: 1:3.4-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org Changed

Re: new hashes (SHA512, SHA3) in apt metadata and .changes files?

2013-08-08 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 05-08-13 02:16, Ben Hutchings wrote: On Sun, 2013-08-04 at 16:45 +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On 03-08-13 13:45, Ondřej Surý wrote: I think it's useless to upgrade to SHA512 (or SHA-3), It's never useless to upgrade to a stronger hash. The cost might outweight the benefit, yes

Re: Fwd: /etc/hosts and resolving of the local host/domainname - 127.0.0.1 vs. 127.0.1.1

2013-08-07 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 05-08-13 19:08, Thomas Hood wrote: Wouter Verhelst wrote: The right way, in my opinion, is that /etc/hosts should look like this: 127.0.0.1 localhost 127.0.0.1 hostname.domain hostname Strictly speaking there should be no more than one line per IP address, so that would

Re: new hashes (SHA512, SHA3) in apt metadata and .changes files?

2013-08-04 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 03-08-13 13:45, Ondřej Surý wrote: I think it's useless to upgrade to SHA512 (or SHA-3), It's never useless to upgrade to a stronger hash. The cost might outweight the benefit, yes. But that's a different matter. -- This end should point toward the ground if you want to go to space. If it

Re: /etc/hosts and resolving of the local host/domainname - 127.0.0.1 vs. 127.0.1.1

2013-07-31 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 30-07-13 22:57, Russ Allbery wrote: Christoph Anton Mitterer cales...@scientia.net writes: - The system hostname (and domainname if any) should ALWAYS be resolvable, whether a network is up or not, regardless of which. (Assuming that lo is always up, if not, many things break anyway.)

Re: Missing makefile

2013-07-31 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 31-07-13 22:09, Jerry Stuckle wrote: Ben, I should also add - I doubt there are many people trying to create new kernel modules for Debian which aren't being merged into the upstream kernel, There are plenty of out-of-tree modules; that isn't very special. This should Just Work(TM), and

Re: PulseAudio

2013-07-18 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 18-07-13 06:23, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: On 07/18/2013 01:00 AM, Wouter Verhelst wrote: They're both APIs that applications can use to produce audio. What do you mean, it doesn't make sense? Of course they're not the same thing; I get that. That's not what I'm saying. But as far

Re: PulseAudio

2013-07-17 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 17-07-13 10:24, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: PA also has excellent support on their IRC channels. I have been able to solve any problem I had with it so far and in all cases it turned out to be a user error. So have I, with alsa. Mainly because I've never had any problem with alsa

Re: PulseAudio

2013-07-17 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 17-07-13 10:58, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: On 07/17/2013 10:48 AM, Wouter Verhelst wrote: So have I, with alsa. Mainly because I've never had any problem with alsa beyond my hardware is shiny new and the driver hasn't been written yet. Okay, and there was also this one time where I

Re: Survey answers part 3: systemd is not portable and what this means for our ports

2013-07-15 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 15-07-13 14:09, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le dimanche 14 juillet 2013 à 11:55 -0700, Geoffrey Thomas a écrit : And if it turns out that systemd is today necessary for Debian's viability as a modern OS, there are ways for the project to make that decision without being rude to folks who

Re: License for the Raspberry PI

2013-07-10 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 10-07-13 11:24, Martin Bagge / brother wrote: On 2013-07-10 10:39, tobias.har...@dlr.de wrote: The Raspberry PI works with the software Raspbian and there is installed your operating system Debian. My question is: Do I need a license for the software to develop in a company? No but if

Accepted fdpowermon 1.10 (source all)

2013-07-05 Thread Wouter Verhelst
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2013 20:57:26 +0200 Source: fdpowermon Binary: fdpowermon fdpowermon-icons Architecture: source all Version: 1.10 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org Changed-By: Wouter

Re: Hope to use ticket system for maintaining/requesting cdn.debian.net

2013-06-27 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 26-06-13 03:46, Yasuhiro Araki wrote: P.S.2 I hope to attend f2f meeting at debconf2013. But unfortunately I cannot attend it. If teleconf, and other way meetings are open, I would like to join from Japan. I don't know where that meeting will be on the schedule; but if it is in a room

Re: Reporting 1.2K crashes

2013-06-27 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 25-06-13 07:28, Alexandre Rebert wrote: Hi, I am a security researcher at Carnegie Mellon University, and my team has found thousands of crashes in binaries downloaded from debian wheeze packages. Out of interest, can you elaborate on the methodology you used in trying to find these

Re: Current and upcoming toolchain changes for jessie

2013-06-19 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 14-06-13 21:11, Thorsten Glaser wrote: Wouter, Mikael: input on switching C/C++ to 4.8? We don't have much data either way, do we? I suppose it shouldn't be too much of a problem, but I can't be sure. In the past we've usually taken the plunge, and filed bugs if things go really bad. --

Re: default MTA

2013-06-12 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 11-06-13 18:37, Jonathan Dowland wrote: On Fri, Jun 07, 2013 at 12:45:07PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: Sendmail has just one more layer of indirection by virtue of the m4 macros. Postfix has most of its behavior hard coded in the C sources, while exim's behavior can be controlled by run-time

Re: default MTA

2013-06-12 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 12-06-13 16:59, Marc Haber wrote: On Wed, 12 Jun 2013 13:38:28 +0100, Jonathan Dowland j...@debian.org wrote: On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 08:00:17AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: To this exim expert, configuring exim is done as follows: zcat /usr/share/doc/exim4/examples/example.conf.gz /etc

Re: boot ordering and resolvconf

2013-06-11 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 10-06-13 18:36, Ian Jackson wrote: B. resolv.conf is not static and may change due to network environment changes. Implications: 1. All existing DNS applications must be modified to notice changes to resolv.conf. 2. Corollary: all existing DNS resolver libraries must

Re: Bug#711570: ITP: libsdl2-mixer -- Mixer library for SDL2

2013-06-10 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 08-06-13 00:33, Manuel A. Fernandez Montecelo wrote: Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Debian SDL packages maintainers pkg-sdl-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org * Package name: libsdl2-mixer Version : 2.0.0~rc1 Upstream Author : Sam Lantinga slou...@libsdl.org

Re: Bug#711570: ITP: libsdl2-mixer -- Mixer library for SDL2

2013-06-10 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 10-06-13 10:32, Adam Borowski wrote: On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 09:59:22AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On 08-06-13 00:33, Manuel A. Fernandez Montecelo wrote: * Package name: libsdl2-mixer Isn't this packaged already? You don't need to file WNPP bugs for SONAME bumps... It's

Re: Candidates for removal from testing (2013-06-04)

2013-06-06 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 05-06-13 18:30, Michael Tautschnig wrote: I also like it, somewhat, but am also aware of this approach rendering unstable more stable than testing. I would prefer another kind of punishment for neglect / some difficulty than the mere removal. In what way exactly would this effort even

Re: question about build a package

2013-06-04 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 04-06-13 04:48, Chris Knadle wrote: Unfortunately no: the Postfix source package looks like it's in 1.0 format, so there aren't any quilt patches. That's not necessarily true as a result of it being a 1.0 format package (there were ways to use quilt patches with the 1.0 format), but it is

Re: systemd .service file conversion

2013-06-02 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 02-06-13 16:09, Stuart Prescott wrote: FWIW, I happen to agree with Marc. Having everything in /etc makes it *much* clearer what the actual current configuration is; it also means that if the defaults change on upgrade, your environment doesn't suddenly start acting differently or

Re: systemd .service file conversion

2013-06-01 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 30-05-13 22:36, Uoti Urpala wrote: Russ Allbery wrote: Uoti Urpala uoti.urp...@pp1.inet.fi writes: Marc Haber wrote: And it is still completely inferior even to dpkg-conffile handling, which has huge wishes left open as well. False. The message you replied to already listed advantages

Re: default MTA

2013-05-30 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 30-05-13 12:27, Marc Haber wrote: We should make local mail or other messages trivially and automatically visible for people who have installed Debian in NNF[1] compliant way, but if one has gone to length to use something non-default, I think we can safely trust those people with taking

Re: default MTA

2013-05-30 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 30-05-13 12:16, Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez wrote: On 29/05/13 08:18, Chris Knadle wrote: - Exim is more popular http://www.securityspace.com/s_survey/data/man.201201/mxsurvey.html This is actually quite interesting. Given that Postfix is the default MTA on RHEL/CentOS, SLES

Re: default MTA

2013-05-30 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 30-05-13 13:56, Olav Vitters wrote: On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 01:31:14PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: If we're making something GNOME-specific, we don't do that. If we make an application that fits into any fdo-compliant notification area, we do. Within GNOME we usually create

Re: Switching to mozilla ESR in stable-security

2013-05-30 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 30-05-13 19:29, Thomas Goirand wrote: Maybe the best way forward is to have backports activated by default No. If we're going down that route, we might as well give up on doing a stable release. -- This end should point toward the ground if you want to go to space. If it starts pointing

Re: systemd .service file conversion

2013-05-30 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 30-05-13 19:53, Thomas Goirand wrote: On 05/30/2013 04:46 PM, Riku Voipio wrote: While we are busy maintaining multiple indirection layers to support user choice I don't think this is what Wouter was talking about (eg, he never said we should leave this as a choice to the user). He's

Re: systemd .service file conversion

2013-05-29 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 27-05-13 21:56, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le lundi 27 mai 2013 à 09:13 +0200, Ondřej Surý a écrit : I would be quite happy to write service files for two (systemd, upstart) or three (systemd, upstart, openrc) of those in all my packages[*], if it stops the endless flamewar here. I would also

Accepted pmw 1:4.26-1 (source amd64 all)

2013-05-29 Thread Wouter Verhelst
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 22:53:38 +0200 Source: pmw Binary: pmw pmw-doc Architecture: source amd64 all Version: 1:4.26-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org Changed-By: Wouter Verhelst wou

Re: [Pkg-virtualbox-devel] virtualbox moved to contrib

2013-05-27 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 27-05-13 13:30, Frank Mehnert wrote: On Monday 27 May 2013 12:45:27 Holger Levsen wrote: On Montag, 27. Mai 2013, Frank Mehnert wrote: EFI in VirtualBox has definitely not the same level of stability as the normal BIOS. I would strongly discourage from publishing an EFI-only VirtualBox

Re: optimizing PNGs

2013-05-26 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 26-05-13 17:56, Adam Borowski wrote: -i0 because advpng is afraid of interlaced files (why?), Interlaced files were a good idea in the 56k modem days, because they would allow images to be shown at a coarser resolution first, and then at a less coarse resolution as more of the file gets

Re: using upstart in Debian

2013-05-26 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 26-05-13 15:11, Holger Levsen wrote: Hi, On Samstag, 25. Mai 2013, Nikolaus Rath wrote: For example: after some intense studying, I now fully understand why declaring a new upstart job C that depends on existing jobs A and B (start on job-a-did-its-thing AND job-b-did-its-thing) may

Re: systemd^wfoo on linux, bar on bsd,so what (Re: /bin/sh

2013-05-22 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 22-05-13 13:06, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 10:13:23AM +0100, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote: Some produce more open source software than others, and all of these will be ranked differently by each person differently, am I still yet to be screwed by Canonical's projects.

Re: [Piuparts-devel] simplifying running piuparts

2013-05-21 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 21-05-13 12:05, Holger Levsen wrote: Hi, On Dienstag, 21. Mai 2013, Andreas Beckmann wrote: @all maintainers: How would you like to run piuparts s.t. it easily integrates into your workflow and allows improving Debian's quality? have an option to run piuparts automatically by debuild,

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