t for Duncan to join in and give us his view. I would
vote for the spamassassin3 approach.
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security.d.o or volatile.d.o, it would be favourable to be able to
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> don't see the point...
It's their perfect right in some ways. And incredibly silly in
others.
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all the others from Sarge unless or until they comply
with SA 3.
I fail to see yours and Adrian's rationale for why spamassassin
should collide with a software, when the software in fact collides
with spamassassin.
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it into Sarge, if at all
possible, and not be held up by depending packages which aren't up
to speed.
What do you think?
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ndency would be needed but
that by taking this route, we accept complete entities of untested
code right into stable.
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hink many of use could profit from
that in our own staging archives.
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> that might actually provide new functionality, I'll be impressed.
I just asked my 16 months old god child and she replied "ja ja ja"
and smiled. Now if you consider her not a real person, I'll come
after you!
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> I get your point, and I will tend to the RC bug as soon as somehow
> possible. Right now I am swamped, and I simply wanted to get a feel
> whether I am already in the crowd of those upholding the release, or
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some longer testimonials available sure sounds like a good
> idea.
where would it go?
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have a life outside Debian (and a need for income, and the
like). ;^> This may soon change, however...
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requests:
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talk about redundancy... ha!
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se the system.
But don't get me wrong, I think System.map is necessary, and
I think a new kernel install warrants a reboot.
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> Anyway, discussing this is not useful anymore. I just said I'll
> provide it in the package.
That won't do. Read Matthew's post carefully.
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But I agree with you, of course.
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ould do it the other way. And if there was a patch for
IPsec just like there is for grsecurity, we could both have our
ways.
What's your problem with understanding that, Matt?
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xplain why the IPsec patch should be distributed in 2.4 by
default. Come on, you just don't want to get my point...
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ract".
As you can see, the only difference is that proposal A calls the
Social Contract *and* the DFSG a foundation document in section 5.2.
Proposal C only calls the social contract a foundation document.
Hope this clears it up for some.
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g the issue for myself and will orphan the
grsecurity patch. Any takers?
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There will be, but not ported by me. The grsecurity team is porting
it, but do not expect an official release before 2.6 is final.
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ive you that. But it works.
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> How do y'all suggest we continue on this, because apparently there
> are two camps with different opinions, Herbert doesn't think he
> needs to do anything, and this issue will just die without a ch
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>
> kernel developers dont use the debian source package as a base for
> their work.
Yes, and that's the problem. So I can't profit of their work,
because I can't have the same base.
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of conflicts of the
grsecurity patch. All the conflicts I have fixed were mainly related
to line offset shifts. I don't consider those conflicts.
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or something similar so that
> kpkg doesn't apply it... but does apply other patches.
not another variable!
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another IPsec stack. Weird, huh? Maybe the 2.5 IPsec stack does
patch more than add an IPsec stack? Herbert?
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's Reference is a necessary read for
this discussion.
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every argument brought against you with a "fails this check, fails
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> is no reason for rants on -devel.
It does not conflict with
preempt
freeswan
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debianlogo
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s issue will just die without a change
happening. I think we have to properly address and close the whole
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like to hear an official statement by Herbert on this. We
should not let this thread extend to infinity, but come to
conclusions and implement them in time for the Sarge release.
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le
size is. They will send everything, from MP3s to 30Mb archives. The
other day, I got a 450Mb email with 50 1600x1200 "pictures from the
summer" attached.
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ll be used
whenever.
> I'm a Windows user when I'm paid to be, yes.
I am sorry.
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Could you point me to some reference on this, please? Albeit rather
advanced, I am an end user that uses the vanilla kernels, so
I should know some reasons.
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Debian system. Second, read again what you wrote. Are you kidding
me?
"it's a chunk of code that has almost nothing to do with the core
kernel code"
You don't consider the IP stack to be core? Are you a Windows user?
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independent, so why does the kernel-source install Linux?
I think we should rename to linux-kernel-source, linux-kernel-image
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management system and will be updated with security (!) updates
when need be
and possibly others.
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uot; script which
> unpatches the Debian source when needed before applying the grsec
> patch. Quiet, transparent solution.
So then what happens if a user falsely employs the Debian 2.4 kernel
feature "IPsec" and one day decides to use GRsecurity?
This is a bad suggestion.
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grave bugs too.
But maybe I should include a note in the package alerting users of
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ut it; I don't (yet) know enough about the 2.5/2.6
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n this discussion,
because it applies to *all* Linux 2.4 kernels, be they vanilla,
Debian, RedHat or MattZimmermanSpecial.
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> I suppose the more fundamental question is, what is your vision
> for the Debian kernel source? What do you feel belongs there, and
> what does not?
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vulnerabilities,
> and it would be irresponsible to distribute them that way.
I fully agree that security vulnerabilities should be fixed by
backport. But not features!
Also, please explain: how is the normal kernel not DFSG but
a derived version is?
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am not saying that all this shouldn't happen. I am just saying it
shouldn't be the default. Debian is about choice, isn't it? Well,
opt-in choice it should be!
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a not in
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I cannot upgrade my kernels to a newer version without
--force-overwrite. So yes.
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what I will do, probably. It's just annoying... but
a statement in README.Debian will do...
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I don't think a single manpage warrants another binary package. So
the only real solution is to put the manpage into
/usr/share/doc//docs ...
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my MTA just rejects such messages, thus i will never know.
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In case you run a mailserver with RBL and you don't know about this
yet. (mh, are you going to get this mail then?)
http://www.merit.edu/mail.archives/nanog/msg12818.html
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> > > On Mon, Aug 25, 2003 at 07:22:16AM +0200, Christian Perrier wrote:
> > > > > Quoting Martin Quinson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> > > > > > > binary-only uploads are clearly not the same.
http://www.uwasa.fi/~ts/http/quote.html
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> If there is a single sane approach,
Well, what's the single sane approach then? So far I've heard four,
and they are all possible.
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I am aware of that, and I favour the approach taken by comedi.
However, I simply wanted to know if this is guided by policy or just
sane decision.
Should there be a policy entry about it?
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> the right place is /lib/modules/${kver}/${package}
says who?
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please, everyone, learn to quote!
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this. I don't think we should remove it from the
distribution, as it is a very important and handy tool...
Can we provide ia64 development space for the guys at grsecurity?
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> I've uploaded a version of icoutils with an improved description now.
Alright, so we forget about png2ico. Thanks.
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are you one of those convert-can-do-everything
smarties?
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qt3-compat-headers is already a Build-Depends of the package.
problem status: still unsolved.
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ii libqt3c102-mt 3.1.1-8Qt GUI Library (Threaded runtime version)
Can you help me out here? Or maybe some KDE-using developer would be
willing to take on the sponsorship of this package?
Thanks,
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meaningfull
> error message if the feature is missing.
that's a great idea. a grep on /proc/ksyms seems to be a good way,
does it not?
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would be even better.
cheers,
ps: chuck is a prospective debian developer who'd i recommend for the
position without the tiniest hesitation.
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the hdd, which Windoze
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thanks for the explanation!
> "You grabbed my hand and we fell into it, like a daydream - or a fever."
we're trapped in the belly of this horrible machine,
and the machine is bleeding to death.
s good!
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also sprach Anthony DeRobertis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.12.05.0611 +0100]:
> On Wed, 2002-12-04 at 18:06, martin f krafft wrote:
> > the problem is that we also need the kernel patch.
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> 2.4.20 includes HTB3
i saw. but that's a problem because it won't run
include the htb patch a long time ago.
i'll push it again. the problem is that we also need the kernel patch.
that's annoying, to say the least, makes the package almost useless...
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also sprach Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.12.04.1353 +0100]:
> > okay, so no package will make it to testing in the mean time???
>
> Correct. Also, multiple punctuation marks are a sign of insanity. ;-)
or of big surprise. then again, i am probably insane.
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there is not going to be a week when i don't learn something from
you, oh my sponsor, advocate, and mentor. i thought that the bugs were
automatically filed. wouldn't that be rather easy to accomplish?
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