Scribit Kevin Mark dies 13/10/2005 hora 02:26:
I was thinking of a feature that would show 'recommends' but add a
line line explaining what installing package X would add to the
currently selected package.
[...]
if this metadata could be added to the package data file it could be
utilized
Hi, Kevin:
El Jueves, 13 Octubre 2005 09:03, Kevin Mark escribió:
[...]
Hi Thijs and fellow DDs,
something just sprang into my brain as you mentioned the 'm$ office
thingy'. gnome is a meta-package and someone wondered how he could
install 'his' gnome. here is a scenerio:
apt-get install
On Tue, Oct 11, 2005 at 03:35:19PM -0300, Ben Armstrong wrote:
This property of metapackages has always irked me. If I install gnome
and then remove gnome-games, I won't automatically benefit in the next
release from any other goodies the gnome maintainers have added to
gnome package.
There
On Tue, Oct 11, 2005 at 12:34:21PM -0700, Daniel Burrows wrote:
On Tue, Oct 11, 2005 at 08:32:35PM +0200, Steinar H. Gunderson [EMAIL
PROTECTED] was heard to say:
On Tue, Oct 11, 2005 at 12:10:22PM -0600, Arthur H. Edwards wrote:
I work at a government laboratory where computer games are
On Thu, Oct 13, 2005 at 02:26:04AM -0400, Kevin Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] was
heard to say:
On Tue, Oct 11, 2005 at 12:34:21PM -0700, Daniel Burrows wrote:
On Tue, Oct 11, 2005 at 08:32:35PM +0200, Steinar H. Gunderson [EMAIL
PROTECTED] was heard to say:
Would it help having our
On Tue, Oct 11, 2005 at 10:41:09PM +0200, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote:
On Tue, 2005-10-11 at 22:00 +0200, Jeroen van Wolffelaar wrote:
The main things that this thread shows me, is that it is *not* immediately
clear to people not too familiar with Debian that the removal of the 'gnome'
package
On Wed, Oct 12, 2005 at 03:13:30AM +0200, Adeodato Simó wrote:
[CC'ing the aptitude maintainer, mainly for the last paragraph.]
* Jeroen van Wolffelaar [Tue, 11 Oct 2005 22:00:22 +0200]:
The main things that this thread shows me, is that it is *not* immediately
clear to people not too
Ben Armstrong wrote:
This property of metapackages has always irked me. If I install
gnome and then remove gnome-games, I won't automatically benefit in
the next release from any other goodies the gnome maintainers have
added to gnome package.
Amen brother.
Why aren't metapackages using
[Daniel Burrows]
you'd have to do something like aptitude keep ~Rdepends:^gnome$.
Too arcane. (:
I've occasionally wanted a simple command in aptitude for remove the
auto flag from all the depends of this package - not only for
metapackages but also for dummy upgrade packages. Another way to
On Tue, Oct 11, 2005 at 04:21:30PM -0400, Joe Smith wrote:
Frans Pop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tuesday 11 October 2005 21:34, Daniel Burrows wrote:
No, because people like to turn off the installation of
recommendations
Or yes, because it offers more
Hello.
Joe Smith:
In other words recommendations mean: This package does not actually
NEED the listed packages, but it is unlikely you will want to install
this package without the listed package.
Given that auto-pulling in of recommendations is the first thing I turn
off in aptitude after
On Wed, Oct 12, 2005 at 04:25:05PM +1000, Matthew Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
was heard to say:
On Wed, Oct 12, 2005 at 03:13:30AM +0200, Adeodato Simó wrote:
Do not forget, though, that with aptitude becoming the prefered tool
for package management (over plain apt-get), this is no longer
On Wed, Oct 12, 2005 at 11:48:54AM +0200, David Weinehall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
was heard to say:
Well, the problem is the widespread misuse of Recommends and Depends.
People have a tendency to use Depends where a Recommends would be
enough, and a Recommends where a Suggests would do the trick.
On Wed, Oct 12, 2005 at 04:44:32PM +0200, Shot - Piotr Szotkowski [EMAIL
PROTECTED] was heard to say:
In other words recommendations mean: This package does not actually
NEED the listed packages, but it is unlikely you will want to install
this package without the listed package.
Given
On Thursday 13 October 2005 00:15, Daniel Burrows wrote:
I just pushed out a darcs patch implementing a feature I've meant to
include for a while; namely a screen that shows you the targets of
unfulfilled recommendations.
Nice one!
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Le mardi 11 octobre 2005 à 12:10 -0600, Arthur H. Edwards a écrit :
I work at a government laboratory where computer games are prohibited. I
also use the gnome desktop. When I try to remove gnome-games apt wanst
to remove gnome because gnome depends on gnome-games. This is really a
I work at a government laboratory where computer games are prohibited. I
also use the gnome desktop. When I try to remove gnome-games apt wanst
to remove gnome because gnome depends on gnome-games. This is really a
show-stopper for government use of Linux. Also, I would think that the
Arthur H. Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I work at a government laboratory where computer games are prohibited. I
also use the gnome desktop. When I try to remove gnome-games apt wanst
to remove gnome because gnome depends on gnome-games. This is really a
show-stopper for government use
First, we don't play the games, but they are inventoried, and they can't
be there. Second, I can, indeed, remove gnome and re-install individual
packages and waste a fair amount of time. Government computers are a
fairly large group and I would think that you might want to facilitate
the use
On Tue, Oct 11, 2005 at 12:10:22PM -0600, Arthur H. Edwards wrote:
I work at a government laboratory where computer games are prohibited. I
also use the gnome desktop. When I try to remove gnome-games apt wanst
to remove gnome because gnome depends on gnome-games. This is really a
Arthur H. Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
First, we don't play the games, but they are inventoried, and they can't
be there. Second, I can, indeed, remove gnome and re-install individual
packages and waste a fair amount of time. Government computers are a
fairly large group and I would
On Tue, 2005-10-11 at 11:20 -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
It should be an easy matter not to play the games even when they are
installed. Regardless, the gnome package is not necessary for the
system; it is just a meta-package that depends on all the
gnome-related packages. If you don't
Ben Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
This property of metapackages has always irked me. If I install gnome
and then remove gnome-games, I won't automatically benefit in the next
release from any other goodies the gnome maintainers have added to
gnome package.
I think the question is: do
On Tue, 2005-10-11 at 11:51 -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
I think the question is: do you want all the goodies or you don't want
all the goodies?
Well, the problem is, when all the goodies is a significant number of
packages, it is tedious to have to collect them all myself.
I would not
On Tue, 2005-10-11 at 20:32 +0200, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote:
On Tue, Oct 11, 2005 at 12:10:22PM -0600, Arthur H. Edwards wrote:
I work at a government laboratory where computer games are prohibited. I
also use the gnome desktop. When I try to remove gnome-games apt wanst
to remove gnome
On Tue, 2005-10-11 at 20:07 +0100, Ross Burton wrote:
That is what gnome-core is for: just enough of GNOME to be usable, but
no real apps beyond EoG and gedit. Purposefully created for people who
want to use GNOME, don't want to install all packages manually, but want
some control over what
On Tue, Oct 11, 2005 at 11:33:50AM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG [EMAIL
PROTECTED] was heard to say:
Arthur H. Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
First, we don't play the games, but they are inventoried, and they can't
be there. Second, I can, indeed, remove gnome and re-install individual
On Tue, Oct 11, 2005 at 08:32:35PM +0200, Steinar H. Gunderson [EMAIL
PROTECTED] was heard to say:
On Tue, Oct 11, 2005 at 12:10:22PM -0600, Arthur H. Edwards wrote:
I work at a government laboratory where computer games are prohibited. I
also use the gnome desktop. When I try to remove
On Tuesday 11 October 2005 21:34, Daniel Burrows wrote:
No, because people like to turn off the installation of
recommendations
Or yes, because it offers more flexibility to people who have a basic idea
of what they are doing.
and then file bugs when major functionality is missing
from
On Tue, Oct 11, 2005 at 09:49:49PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
On Tuesday 11 October 2005 21:34, Daniel Burrows wrote:
No, because people like to turn off the installation of
recommendations
Or yes, because it offers more flexibility to people who have a basic idea
of what they are doing.
Frans Pop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tuesday 11 October 2005 21:34, Daniel Burrows wrote:
No, because people like to turn off the installation of
recommendations
Or yes, because it offers more flexibility to people who have a basic idea
of what they are
On Tue, 2005-10-11 at 22:00 +0200, Jeroen van Wolffelaar wrote:
The main things that this thread shows me, is that it is *not* immediately
clear to people not too familiar with Debian that the removal of the 'gnome'
package will not have *any* effect on what actual software is actually
[CC'ing the aptitude maintainer, mainly for the last paragraph.]
* Jeroen van Wolffelaar [Tue, 11 Oct 2005 22:00:22 +0200]:
The main things that this thread shows me, is that it is *not* immediately
clear to people not too familiar with Debian that the removal of the 'gnome'
package will
As mentioned in [1]
[1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2005/04/msg00070.html
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He has never been known to use a word that might send a reader to the
dictionary.
-- William Faulkner (about Ernest
On Wed, Oct 12, 2005 at 03:13:30AM +0200, Adeodato Simó [EMAIL PROTECTED] was
heard to say:
As mentioned in [1], we've been considering switching to Recommends
for KDE metapackges, and mention in the description about the use of
--with-recommends.
What perhaps would be really best,
Adeodato Simó wrote:
As mentioned in [1], we've been considering switching to Recommends
for KDE metapackges, and mention in the description about the use of
--with-recommends.
If you do that you will make the desktop task no longer install an
appropriate amount of kde[2]:
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