Re: [WASTE-dev-public] Do not package WASTE! UNAUTHORIZED SOFTWARE [Was: Re: Questions about waste licence and code.]

2005-05-19 Thread Peter Samuelson
Yes, I'm aware that if it's possible to revoke the GPL, it fails the Tentacles of Evil test, and GPL software would be completely unsuitable for any serious deployment. [Roberto C. Sanchez] But it can't be done, period. Reference: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html That I am

Re: [WASTE-dev-public] Do not package WASTE! UNAUTHORIZED SOFTWARE [Was: Re: Questions about waste licence and code.]

2005-05-19 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
Peter Samuelson wrote: Yes, I'm aware that if it's possible to revoke the GPL, it fails the Tentacles of Evil test, and GPL software would be completely unsuitable for any serious deployment. [Roberto C. Sanchez] But it can't be done, period. Reference:

Re: [WASTE-dev-public] Do not package WASTE! UNAUTHORIZED SOFTWARE [Was: Re: Questions about waste licence and code.]

2005-05-19 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 5/18/05, Roberto C. Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Point taken. However, the GPL clearly states the conditions in section 6: 6. Each time you redistribute the Program (or any work based on the Program), the recipient automatically receives a license from the original licensor to

Re: [WASTE-dev-public] Do not package WASTE! UNAUTHORIZED SOFTWARE [Was: Re: Questions about waste licence and code.]

2005-05-19 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 5/19/05, Raul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/19/05, Michael K. Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The GPL is anomalous in that the drafter has published a widely believed, but patently false, set of claims about its legal basis in the FSF FAQ. For the record, I disagree that this

Re: [WASTE-dev-public] Do not package WASTE! UNAUTHORIZED SOFTWARE [Was: Re: Questions about waste licence and code.]

2005-05-19 Thread Raul Miller
On 5/19/05, Michael K. Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The GPL is anomalous in that the drafter has published a widely believed, but patently false, set of claims about its legal basis in the FSF FAQ. For the record, I disagree that this faq is patently false. It is, in places, a bit

Re: [WASTE-dev-public] Do not package WASTE! UNAUTHORIZED SOFTWARE [Was: Re: Questions about waste licence and code.]

2005-05-19 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 5/19/05, Raul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For the record, I disagree that this faq is patently false. It is, in places, a bit simplistic, but I wouldn't advise anyone delve into those fine points of law unless they've retained the services of a lawyer (at which point the FAQ

Re: [WASTE-dev-public] Do not package WASTE! UNAUTHORIZED SOFTWARE [Was: Re: Questions about waste licence and code.]

2005-05-19 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
Michael K. Edwards wrote: not. Does anyone happen to have a six-month-old copy of the FSF FAQ? From 11-2004: http://web.archive.org/web/20041130014304/http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html http://web.archive.org/web/20041105024302/http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html -Roberto --

Re: [WASTE-dev-public] Do not package WASTE! UNAUTHORIZED SOFTWARE [Was: Re: Questions about waste licence and code.]

2005-05-19 Thread Raul Miller
For the record, I disagree that this faq is patently false. It is, in places, a bit simplistic, but I wouldn't advise anyone delve into those fine points of law unless they've retained the services of a lawyer (at which point the FAQ is merely an interesting commentary -- it has less

Re: [WASTE-dev-public] Do not package WASTE! UNAUTHORIZED SOFTWARE [Was: Re: Questions about waste licence and code.]

2005-05-19 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 5/19/05, Roberto C. Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://web.archive.org/web/20041130014304/http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html http://web.archive.org/web/20041105024302/http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html Thanks, Roberto. The (moderately) explicit bit I had in mind is in

Re: [WASTE-dev-public] Do not package WASTE! UNAUTHORIZED SOFTWARE [Was: Re: Questions about waste licence and code.]

2005-05-19 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 5/19/05, Raul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip Raul's honest and polite response] I've been objecting to the nature of the generalizations you've been making. In other words, I see you asserting that things which are sometimes true must always be true. In the case of the contract

Re: [WASTE-dev-public] Do not package WASTE! UNAUTHORIZED SOFTWARE [Was: Re: Questions about waste licence and code.]

2005-05-19 Thread Raul Miller
On 5/19/05, Michael K. Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps that is indeed what you would do. I don't consider lawyers to be the only persons capable of reading the law for themselves. They are the only ones authorized to offer certain forms of legal advice and legal representation, but

Re: [WASTE-dev-public] Do not package WASTE! UNAUTHORIZED SOFTWARE [Was: Re: Questions about waste licence and code.]

2005-05-18 Thread Charles Iliya Krempeaux
Hello, (Sorry for just intejecting into the discussion like this, but) >From what I understand of the history of WASTE. At one time, NullSoft did infact release WASTE under the GPL. However, AOL (NullSoft's parent company) didn't like this, and that message on NullSoft's website is because of

Re: [WASTE-dev-public] Do not package WASTE! UNAUTHORIZED SOFTWARE [Was: Re: Questions about waste licence and code.]

2005-05-18 Thread Andrew A. Gill
On Wed, 18 May 2005, Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote: From what I understand of the history of WASTE. At one time, NullSoft did infact release WASTE under the GPL. However, AOL (NullSoft's parent company) didn't like this, and that message on NullSoft's website is because of that. (And thus, it

Re: [WASTE-dev-public] Do not package WASTE! UNAUTHORIZED SOFTWARE [Was: Re: Questions about waste licence and code.]

2005-05-18 Thread Steinar H. Gunderson
On Wed, May 18, 2005 at 11:40:06AM -0700, Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote: Now, from what I understand, once you release something under the GPL, you cannot un-release it. And if that is the case, then this software is OK. You're assuming the people who released it had the right to do that in

Re: [WASTE-dev-public] Do not package WASTE! UNAUTHORIZED SOFTWARE [Was: Re: Questions about waste licence and code.]

2005-05-18 Thread Paul Perpich
This topic has been beat to death and is the cause for most of the devs bailing throughout the life of the project (legal concerns). There are a couple old articles on /. that should cover all the arguments (in the comments)...but I'm sure you'll find them all over. here's one:

Re: [WASTE-dev-public] Do not package WASTE! UNAUTHORIZED SOFTWARE [Was: Re: Questions about waste licence and code.]

2005-05-18 Thread Charles Iliya Krempeaux
Hello, Yes, you are correct. I am assuming that. As far as I can tell, even if AOL didn't approve it, NullSoft, being the owners of the code, are allowed and able to release the code under whatever license they want to release it under. (Whether they'll get in trouble or not from AOL, for doing

Re: [WASTE-dev-public] Do not package WASTE! UNAUTHORIZED SOFTWARE [Was: Re: Questions about waste licence and code.]

2005-05-18 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Charles Iliya Krempeaux] It seem to me that they got in trouble for doing so. And then tried to take things back. But the GPL doesn't allow for that. It seems to me that this is another of those things everyone takes for a postulate just because the FSF said so. Rather like the assumption

Re: [WASTE-dev-public] Do not package WASTE! UNAUTHORIZED SOFTWARE [Was: Re: Questions about waste licence and code.]

2005-05-18 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
Peter Samuelson wrote: I know at least one developer on a prominent open source project who believes otherwise, and claims to be prepared to revoke their license to her code, if they do certain things to piss her off. Presumably this is grounded on the basis of her having received no

Re: [WASTE-dev-public] Do not package WASTE! UNAUTHORIZED SOFTWARE [Was: Re: Questions about waste licence and code.]

2005-05-18 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 5/18/05, Peter Samuelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] I know at least one developer on a prominent open source project who believes otherwise, and claims to be prepared to revoke their license to her code, if they do certain things to piss her off. Presumably this is grounded on the

Re: [WASTE-dev-public] Do not package WASTE! UNAUTHORIZED SOFTWARE [Was: Re: Questions about waste licence and code.]

2005-05-18 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 5/18/05, Roberto C. Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter Samuelson wrote: [snip] Yes, I'm aware that if it's possible to revoke the GPL, it fails the Tentacles of Evil test, and GPL software would be completely unsuitable for any serious deployment. Note, however, that but it *can't*

Re: [WASTE-dev-public] Do not package WASTE! UNAUTHORIZED SOFTWARE [Was: Re: Questions about waste licence and code.]

2005-05-18 Thread Raul Miller
On 5/18/05, Roberto C. Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is completely not possible. Once you offer (and someone accepts) code under the terms of the GPL, they are for evermore entitled to use *that* code under the GPL. There are some exceptions to this. For example, if you're not the