On Fri, 5 Dec 2003, cobaco wrote:
That's why I feeled obliged to add the remark that I greatly appreciate
the work of the SkoleLinux people and that they probably did more for
Debian than any CDD is out of any question.
In the above sentence you seem to refer to Skolelinux as a CDD , yet
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On 2003-12-05 16:36, Ben Armstrong wrote:
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 03:20:45AM -0600, cobaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
_ideally_ there are no changes. In practice there will be.
Why?
because it takes time to change things in Debian, example:
as
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On 2003-12-05 13:01, Andreas Tille wrote:
On Fri, 5 Dec 2003, cobaco wrote:
On 2003-12-05 11:16, Andreas Tille wrote:
their fine work. I really love what they do and SkoleLinux is one of
the most impressive derivatives of Debian, but it just
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On 2003-12-05 17:10, Tom wrote:
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 11:36:20AM -0400, Ben Armstrong wrote:
Then that discussion needs to be resolved so that a solution can be made
that is in Debian main.
It's useful to try to clarify the terms so people
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 09:00:05PM +0100, cobaco wrote:
- if you don't allow temporary solutions while low priority debconf
question get included, than there currently are no CDD's as
custom configuration is necessary to support a CDD's target group
out-of-the-box.
This
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On 2003-12-04 10:41, Andreas Tille wrote:
On Thu, 4 Dec 2003, Fabian Fagerholm wrote:
Can you say who the flavors people, the metadistros people and the
subproject people were? I'd like to make contact with all of these to
get more details
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On 2003-12-03 21:58, Andreas Tille wrote:
On Wed, 3 Dec 2003, cobaco wrote:
hm, I've added a definition to the wiki:
A Custom Debian Distribution (CDD) is a version of Debian that is
tailored
I do not like the term version. I'd prefer a
On Thu, 4 Dec 2003, cobaco wrote:
There are no changes to Debian, because CDDs reside completely in
main / testing /unstable as any other package.
_ideally_ there are no changes. In practice there will be. For instance:
In skolelinux there's currently a package called
On Thu, 4 Dec 2003, cobaco wrote:
hm, here are the names I can remember:
Petter , me, (Kurt Gramlich, Maximillian Wilhelm, Frank Matthieß - not on
devel as far as I know) from Skolelinux
Mako, Enrico who organized the meeting
David Martinez (I think), and one or two others from
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On 2003-12-05 11:16, Andreas Tille wrote:
their fine work. I really love what they do and SkoleLinux is one of the
most impressive derivatives of Debian, but it just does not (yet) fall
under our definition.]
huh ?! How do you figure that?
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On 2003-12-05 11:06, Andreas Tille wrote:
On Thu, 4 Dec 2003, cobaco wrote:
There are no changes to Debian, because CDDs reside completely in
main / testing /unstable as any other package.
_ideally_ there are no changes. In practice there
On Fri, 5 Dec 2003, cobaco wrote:
On 2003-12-05 11:16, Andreas Tille wrote:
their fine work. I really love what they do and SkoleLinux is one of the
most impressive derivatives of Debian, but it just does not (yet) fall
under our definition.]
huh ?! How do you figure that?
Please read
On Fri, 5 Dec 2003, cobaco wrote:
hm, as far as I know Debian-edu is nothing more then a couple of
task-packages at this point (and some education packages that got added to
the archive)
I do not compare the quality of Debian-Edu or SkoleLinux - I just want to
use the right term. Yes,
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 03:20:45AM -0600, cobaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
_ideally_ there are no changes. In practice there will be.
Why?
For instance:
In skolelinux there's currently a package called locale-config-skolelinux
which sets up de default locale for all users. This package is not
On Fri, 5 Dec 2003, Benj. Mako Hill wrote:
I will personally move forward with this as soon as I get access to
CVS.
Thanks. This would be much appreciated.
Andreas, perhaps you missed this message:
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 11:36:20AM -0400, Ben Armstrong wrote:
Then that discussion needs to be resolved so that a solution can be made
that is in Debian main.
It's useful to try to clarify the terms so people can speak the same
language, but as soon as you categorize anything somebody's
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 09:23:52AM -0600, cobaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 2003-12-05 11:06, Andreas Tille wrote:
Well, at least for my understanding SkoleLinux is not a Custom Debian
Distribution exactly because they have packages which are not integrated
in Debian. This is no problem
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On 2003-12-05 16:43, Andreas Tille wrote:
On Fri, 5 Dec 2003, Benj. Mako Hill wrote:
More importantly, Skolelinux has done more than almost any CDD in
terms of contributing back to Debian in both code and in
methodology. Their method of
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On 2003-12-05 17:13, Ben Armstrong wrote:
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 09:23:52AM -0600, cobaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 2003-12-05 11:06, Andreas Tille wrote:
Debian-Edu *is* a CDD because
it is completely inside Debian and
hm, as far as I
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On 2003-12-05 16:48, Andreas Tille wrote:
On Fri, 5 Dec 2003, cobaco wrote:
hm, as far as I know Debian-edu is nothing more then a couple of
task-packages at this point (and some education packages that got added
to the archive)
I do not
On Wed, 2003-12-03 at 22:44, VEROK Istvan wrote:
On Wed, 3 Dec 2003, Andreas Tille wrote:
On Wed, 3 Dec 2003, Fabian Fagerholm wrote:
In my view (as I said), it would be logical to name a further
subdivision of that product flavor.
I like this interpretation of the term flavor and it
On Wed, 2003-12-03 at 16:02, Benj. Mako Hill wrote:
If you apt-get install the subproject-howto you will get something
talking *only* about creating a custom Debian-distribution -- not
about creating a subproject for any other sort of work. The folks at
the BOF saw a real lack of interaction
On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 12:44:17PM +0100, VEROK Istvan wrote:
Due to the unclear connotations, there is a great deal of confusion over
the terms internal project, subproject, flavor, custom Debian
distribution and the like. To clarify my own thinking, I started using
just subset and mutation
On Thu, 4 Dec 2003, Fabian Fagerholm wrote:
Can you say who the flavors people, the metadistros people and the
subproject people were? I'd like to make contact with all of these to
get more details about their respective projects and their view on this.
Here on debian-devel. (Can you hear me?
On Thu, 2003-12-04 at 20:23, Fabian Fagerholm wrote:
On Wed, 2003-12-03 at 13:44, VEROK Istvan wrote:
Subsets can also have subsets, or a subset may even come from the
confluence of other subsets, so there is no need to name one level a
custom Debian distro and another level a flavor.
On Wed, 2003-12-03 at 13:44, VEROK Istvan wrote:
Subsets can also have subsets, or a subset may even come from the
confluence of other subsets, so there is no need to name one level a
custom Debian distro and another level a flavor.
I'll elaborate more in a later post, but I just want to give
I don't mean any offense to you or your terms but I think that the
major source of the confusion is not the the imprecision of the terms
because (as other have pointed out) all terms are imprecise. The major
problem is the *number* of these terms. Adding one or two more, even
with their
On Thu, 2003-12-04 at 11:42, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
I could almost cut and paste your email into the wiki it was so clear
(at least Debian parent(super) project - CDD - Flavor).
I hope I haven't misunderstood you,
No, I was just in a hurry and expressed myself inadequately.
The discussion
On Wed, 3 Dec 2003, Fabian Fagerholm wrote:
In my view (as I said), it would be logical to name a further
subdivision of that product flavor.
I like this interpretation of the term flavor and it would be easily applicable
for Debian-Med to flavors like:
- Medical practice
-
On Tue, 2 Dec 2003, Fabian Fagerholm wrote:
Actually, I'd like to see the term Custom Debian Distribution be set
aside because a custom something is created each time someone modifies
an original. Debian Enterprise certainly is an original. By the time a
capable sysadmin has installed it, it
On Wed, 2003-12-03 at 12:17, Andreas Tille wrote:
On Tue, 2 Dec 2003, Fabian Fagerholm wrote:
The term suggests that the distribution is not-Debian, which is
unneccessary and confusing.
As non native speaker and also in general I try to avoid joining stupid
naming discussions. But here is
On Wed, 3 Dec 2003, Fabian Fagerholm wrote:
It might be hard, impossible and undesirable to reverse the decision to
use the term.
Exactly.
I think the term can be correctly understood if you
present it as I have in some recent postings to this list:
Debian is the super-project.
On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 01:24:24PM +0200, Fabian Fagerholm wrote:
If some of the people who participated in the Debcamp Custom
Distribution BOF (see
http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-nonprofit/News/2003/20030717) are
listening, perhaps you could elaborate? (Cc'ing Mako Hill since he
was
On Wed, 3 Dec 2003, Andreas Tille wrote:
On Wed, 3 Dec 2003, Fabian Fagerholm wrote:
In my view (as I said), it would be logical to name a further
subdivision of that product flavor.
I like this interpretation of the term flavor and it would be easily
applicable for Debian-Med to flavors
On Wed, 2003-12-03 at 01:32, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
Debian is the super-project.
Debian Enterprise is a Debian Subproject that creates
a Custom Debian Distribution,
Subproject and custom debian distribution, here, are the same thing. No
point officially having two terms.
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On 2003-12-03 12:24, Fabian Fagerholm wrote:
On Wed, 2003-12-03 at 12:17, Andreas Tille wrote:
On Tue, 2 Dec 2003, Fabian Fagerholm wrote:
The term suggests that the distribution is not-Debian, which is
unneccessary and confusing.
As non
On Wed, 3 Dec 2003, cobaco wrote:
hm, I've added a definition to the wiki:
A Custom Debian Distribution (CDD) is a version of Debian that is tailored
I do not like the term version. I'd prefer a subset of Debian. You
get a CDD together with main but you get a helping hand to cope with the
On Wed, 2003-12-03 at 20:01, cobaco wrote:
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On 2003-12-03 12:24, Fabian Fagerholm wrote:
On Wed, 2003-12-03 at 12:17, Andreas Tille wrote:
On Tue, 2 Dec 2003, Fabian Fagerholm wrote:
The term suggests that the distribution is not-Debian,
Hi,
Recently, when thinking about the terminology surrounding Debian
Subprojects, I thought about the term flavor. I always liked that
term, because I find it very descriptive.
I wrote to Zenaan Harkness concerning Debian Enterprise
(http://debian-enterprise.org/), and I suggested that such a
On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 22:58:28 +0200, Fabian Fagerholm wrote:
Hi,
Recently, when thinking about the terminology surrounding Debian
Subprojects, I thought about the term flavor. I always liked that
term, because I find it very descriptive.
[...]
So I suggest the following terms:
Debian
Fabian Fagerholm, on 2003-12-02, 22:58, you wrote:
Debian is the super-project.
XYZ is a Debian Subproject,
which provides the flavors A, B and C.
Opinions?
I like that though my in opinion flavors should only exist as
specialized installers, specialized kernels and package
On Wed, 2003-12-03 at 07:58, Fabian Fagerholm wrote:
Debian Enterprise could, for example, have an
install-time option to set up a file and print server, an authentication
server, or a web server. Those would be _flavors_, in my view. Despite
all that has been written and referenced on this
On Wed, 2003-12-03 at 07:58, Fabian Fagerholm wrote:
Debian Enterprise could, for example, have an
install-time option to set up a file and print server, an
authentication
server, or a web server. Those would be _flavors_, in my view. Despite
all that has been written and referenced on this
On Wed, 2003-12-03 at 09:21, Joerg Wendland wrote:
Fabian Fagerholm, on 2003-12-02, 22:58, you wrote:
Debian is the super-project.
XYZ is a Debian Subproject,
which provides the flavors A, B and C.
Opinions?
I like that though my in opinion flavors should only exist
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