Re: Bug#417261: dch: please use dates in UTC

2007-04-05 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 05:58:28PM +0200, Christoph Berg wrote: What about supporting a variable DEBCHANGE_TZ in ~/.devscripts that lets the user set UTC, but defaults to $TZ? That would be a one-size-fits-all solution I would like. -- Stefano Zacchiroli -*- Computer Science PhD student @ Uny

Re: Bug#417261: dch: please use dates in UTC

2007-04-05 Thread Loïc Minier
On Wed, Apr 04, 2007, Christoph Berg wrote: What about supporting a variable DEBCHANGE_TZ in ~/.devscripts that lets the user set UTC, but defaults to $TZ? Uh, isn't alias dch='TZ=UTC dch' good enough? -- Loïc Minier -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of

Re: Bug#417261: dch: please use dates in UTC

2007-04-04 Thread Paul TBBle Hampson
On Mon, Apr 02, 2007 at 03:11:23PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: I share the feeling of niceness of the personal touch, but this isn't a technical reason, and the point of uniforming a timezone so that it's easier to compare dates among different changelog is definitely a valid one. Is

Re: Bug#417261: dch: please use dates in UTC

2007-04-04 Thread Christoph Berg
Re: Stefano Zacchiroli 2007-04-02 [EMAIL PROTECTED] I share the feeling of niceness of the personal touch, but this isn't a technical reason, and the point of uniforming a timezone so that it's easier to compare dates among different changelog is definitely a valid one. If we want to

Re: Bug#417261: dch: please use dates in UTC

2007-04-02 Thread Robert Millan
On Mon, Apr 02, 2007 at 09:32:22AM +0100, Julian Gilbey wrote: On Mon, Apr 02, 2007 at 09:48:13AM +0200, Robert Millan wrote: Package: devscripts Version: 2.9.26 Severity: wishlist Tags: patch Since dates written to changelogs are going to be read by people all over the world,

Re: Bug#417261: dch: please use dates in UTC

2007-04-02 Thread Christoph Berg
Re: Robert Millan 2007-04-02 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Since dates written to changelogs are going to be read by people all over the world, IMHO it is better if these dates are in UTC to make it easier to figure out when it was uploaded in comparison to other events (such as the upload of

Re: Bug#417261: dch: please use dates in UTC

2007-04-02 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Mon, Apr 02, 2007 at 02:11:51PM +0200, Christoph Berg wrote: Re: Robert Millan 2007-04-02 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Since dates written to changelogs are going to be read by people all over the world, IMHO it is better if these dates are in UTC to make it easier to figure out when it

Re: Bug#417261: dch: please use dates in UTC

2007-04-02 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Mon, Apr 02, 2007 at 02:11:51PM +0200, Christoph Berg wrote: Since dates written to changelogs are going to be read by people all over the world, IMHO it is better if these dates are in UTC to make it easier to figure out when it was uploaded in comparison to other events (such

Re: Bug#417261: dch: please use dates in UTC

2007-04-02 Thread Magnus Holmgren
On Monday 02 April 2007 14:11, Christoph Berg wrote: Re: Robert Millan 2007-04-02 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Since dates written to changelogs are going to be read by people all over the world, IMHO it is better if these dates are in UTC to make it easier to figure out when it was uploaded in

Re: Bug#417261: dch: please use dates in UTC

2007-04-02 Thread Frans Pop
On Monday 02 April 2007 15:11, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: I share the feeling of niceness of the personal touch, but this isn't a technical reason, and the point of uniforming a timezone so that it's easier to compare dates among different changelog is definitely a valid one. That is not

Re: Bug#417261: dch: please use dates in UTC

2007-04-02 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Mon, Apr 02, 2007 at 03:31:37PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote: That is not really a valid reason either because converting a timestamp from a changelog entry to any other timezone or format is trivial: $ D=$(zgrep ^ -- /usr/share/doc/apt/changelog.Debian.gz | \ head -1 | sed s/^.* //) $

Re: Bug#417261: dch: please use dates in UTC

2007-04-02 Thread Tim Dijkstra
On Mon, 2 Apr 2007 15:49:54 +0200 Stefano Zacchiroli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Apr 02, 2007 at 03:31:37PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote: That is not really a valid reason either because converting a timestamp from a changelog entry to any other timezone or format is trivial: $

Re: Bug#417261: dch: please use dates in UTC

2007-04-02 Thread Julian Gilbey
On Mon, Apr 02, 2007 at 01:37:23PM +0200, Robert Millan wrote: This is a nice idea. I think it should also be discussed on debian-devel and debian-policy. CCing -devel. For -policy I think it is too early (usualy, common practice is stablished before Policy enforces it). Also adding

Re: Bug#417261: dch: please use dates in UTC

2007-04-02 Thread Joey Hess
Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: I share the feeling of niceness of the personal touch, but this isn't a technical reason It's nice to know if an upload was made at 4:30 am local time, va 6 pm local time. It says something about the possible condition of the uploader. -- see shy jo signature.asc

Re: Bug#417261: dch: please use dates in UTC

2007-04-02 Thread Joey Hess
Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: $ D=$(zgrep ^ -- /usr/share/doc/apt/changelog.Debian.gz | \ head -1 | sed s/^.* //) $ date -uRd $D Trivial is something I can do without having the need of thinking about an implementation of it. I guess you spent a couple of minutes writing the above shell

Re: Bug#417261: dch: please use dates in UTC

2007-04-02 Thread Mark Brown
On Mon, Apr 02, 2007 at 03:11:23PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: I share the feeling of niceness of the personal touch, but this isn't a technical reason, and the point of uniforming a timezone so that it's easier to compare dates among different changelog is definitely a valid one. I'm

Re: Bug#417261: dch: please use dates in UTC

2007-04-02 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On ma, 2007-04-02 at 19:26 +0100, Mark Brown wrote: Given how easy it is to canonicalise the timestamp data, the fact that it's data loss and the questionable utility of the information why is it worth it? Maintaining status quo is easy. Making programs that compare timestamps understand time

Re: Bug#417261: dch: please use dates in UTC

2007-04-02 Thread Bastian Venthur
Lars Wirzenius schrieb: My gut feeling is that there's more people who edit the timestamp manually than those who compare them mentally, so I'm in favor of maintaining status quo. Hmm and my gut feeling is that the vast majority of maintainers just use dch instead of manually writing the

Re: Bug#417261: dch: please use dates in UTC

2007-04-02 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 02 Apr 2007, Bastian Venthur wrote: Lars Wirzenius schrieb: My gut feeling is that there's more people who edit the timestamp manually than those who compare them mentally, so I'm in favor of maintaining status quo. Hmm and my gut feeling is that the vast majority of maintainers

Re: Bug#417261: dch: please use dates in UTC

2007-04-02 Thread Mark Brown
On Mon, Apr 02, 2007 at 08:49:44PM +0200, Bastian Venthur wrote: Hmm and my gut feeling is that the vast majority of maintainers just use dch instead of manually writing the changelog skeleton (it's faster and less error prone). But until we have verifiable numbers it's all moot. I tend to

Re: Bug#417261: dch: please use dates in UTC

2007-04-02 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Apr 02, 2007 at 03:11:23PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: I share the feeling of niceness of the personal touch, but this isn't a technical reason, and the point of uniforming a timezone so that it's easier to compare dates among different changelog is definitely a valid one. It

Re: Bug#417261: dch: please use dates in UTC

2007-04-02 Thread Brian May
Wouter == Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Wouter Sun, 31 Dec 2006 14:40:46 +0100 Wouter You didn't fail basic math, did you? ;-) Just remember to subtract 1 hour, don't add it. I could imagine people getting this wrong. -- Brian May [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE,