Re: Bug#820036: No bug mentioning a Debian KEK and booting use it.

2016-10-26 Thread Philipp Kern
On 10/26/2016 10:35 PM, Theodore Ts'o wrote: > In the case of firmware which is flashed into non-volatile memory, I > would guess that the it probably wouldn't necessarliy use the > Microsoft signing key at all. (For example, for a long time most > printers were not bothering to do any digital sig

Re: Bug#820036: No bug mentioning a Debian KEK and booting use it.

2016-10-26 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 08:42:07AM +0200, Philipp Kern wrote: > > To the extent that we could easily support this particular use case, > > it might be a good thing. (I doubt Debian is going to want to get > > into the business of verifying and then resigning firmware blobs.) > > Depends if you ar

Re: Bug#820036: No bug mentioning a Debian KEK and booting use it.

2016-10-25 Thread Philipp Kern
On 10/24/2016 06:20 PM, Theodore Ts'o wrote: > On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 07:52:13PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: >> It was posted to bug #820036, which is tracking Debian support for >> secure boot. Peter was advocating quite correctly that as well as >> having our copy of shim (the first-stage bootloader

Re: Bug#820036: No bug mentioning a Debian KEK and booting use it.

2016-10-24 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 07:52:13PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: > > It was posted to bug #820036, which is tracking Debian support for > secure boot. Peter was advocating quite correctly that as well as > having our copy of shim (the first-stage bootloader on secure boot > systems) signed by Microsoft,

Re: Bug#820036: No bug mentioning a Debian KEK and booting use it.

2016-10-21 Thread Ian Jackson
Tollef Fog Heen writes ("Re: Bug#820036: No bug mentioning a Debian KEK and booting use it."): > ]] Ian Jackson > > this is rather discouraging, at least for those who think this signed > > image malarkey is useful. > > Just so we're not misunderstanding

Re: Bug#820036: No bug mentioning a Debian KEK and booting use it.

2016-10-21 Thread Ian Campbell
On Fri, 2016-10-21 at 14:44 +0800, Paul Wise wrote: > On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 2:35 PM, Ian Campbell wrote: > > > I think there are also physical arm64 systems using EDK2/Tianocore as > > their firmware. > > Unmodified upstream versions that you can re-flash? Some of the 96boards.org offerings I

Re: Bug#820036: No bug mentioning a Debian KEK and booting use it.

2016-10-20 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 2:35 PM, Ian Campbell wrote: > I think there are also physical arm64 systems using EDK2/Tianocore as > their firmware. Unmodified upstream versions that you can re-flash? I got the impression most UEFI firmware is based on EDK2/Tianocore, even on x86, but it has proprietar

Re: Bug#820036: No bug mentioning a Debian KEK and booting use it.

2016-10-20 Thread Ian Campbell
On Fri, 2016-10-21 at 12:22 +0800, Paul Wise wrote: > On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 4:20 AM, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > > > If there are machines with free firmware that also support secure boot, > > we can look at this.  So far, I don't believe there are any. > > Tianocore (edk2 in Debian) supports virt

Re: Bug#820036: No bug mentioning a Debian KEK and booting use it.

2016-10-20 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 4:20 AM, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > If there are machines with free firmware that also support secure boot, > we can look at this. So far, I don't believe there are any. Tianocore (edk2 in Debian) supports virtual machines and also any device that supports coreboot could ch

Re: Bug#820036: No bug mentioning a Debian KEK and booting use it.

2016-10-20 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Ian Jackson > Tollef Fog Heen writes ("Re: Bug#820036: No bug mentioning a Debian KEK and > booting use it."): > > > So far, I don't believe there are any. > > this is rather discouraging, at least for those who think this signed > image

Re: Bug#820036: No bug mentioning a Debian KEK and booting use it.

2016-10-20 Thread Ian Jackson
Tollef Fog Heen writes ("Re: Bug#820036: No bug mentioning a Debian KEK and booting use it."): ] Ian Jackson > > Ah. Maybe it would be worth doing anyway. There might be machines > > which work with some kind of libre firmware. But of course actually > > doing th

Re: Bug#820036: No bug mentioning a Debian KEK and booting use it.

2016-10-20 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Ian Jackson > Ah. Maybe it would be worth doing anyway. There might be machines > which work with some kind of libre firmware. But of course actually > doing this depends on someone having the effort. If there are machines with free firmware that also support secure boot, we can look at th

Re: Bug#820036: No bug mentioning a Debian KEK and booting use it.

2016-10-18 Thread Ian Jackson
Paul Wise writes ("Re: Bug#820036: No bug mentioning a Debian KEK and booting use it."): > On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 7:36 PM, Ian Jackson wrote: > > I'm afraid I can't make sense of this. You have posted it to > > debian-devel, but without any kind of sens

Re: Bug#820036: No bug mentioning a Debian KEK and booting use it.

2016-10-18 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 7:36 PM, Ian Jackson wrote: > I'm afraid I can't make sense of this. You have posted it to > debian-devel, but without any kind of sensible explanation of the > context. It was posted to bug #820036, which is tracking Debian support for secure boot. Peter was advocating q

Bug#820036: No bug mentioning a Debian KEK and booting use it.

2016-10-18 Thread Ian Jackson
Peter Dolding writes ("Bug#820036: No bug mentioning a Debian KEK and booting use it."): > Yes it one thing to get shim signed by Microsoft. Do remember > Microsoft is free to push out updates to the The Forbidden Signatures > Database(dbx). > > [etc.] I'm afr

Bug#820036: No bug mentioning a Debian KEK and booting use it.

2016-10-17 Thread Peter Dolding
Yes it one thing to get shim signed by Microsoft. Do remember Microsoft is free to push out updates to the The Forbidden Signatures Database(dbx). Sign a new shim in case of current one being black listed for some reason could take weeks/months from Microsoft. The process to replace PK(platform