Re: Bug #298195: ITP: tinywm -- Ridiculously tiny window manager

2005-03-06 Thread Nick Welch
This is why random Joe off the street should not be writing licences. From what I can gather, the license was developed through discussion on OSI's mailing list, and in the end it was OSI who approved it. Quite different from random Joe off the street whipping up some homebrew license and

Re: Bug#298195: ITP: tinywm -- Ridiculously tiny window manager

2005-03-06 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Sun, Mar 06, 2005 at 12:05:52AM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: On Sun, Mar 06, 2005 at 01:17:50AM +0900, Nobuhiro Iwamatsu wrote: * Package name: tinywm Version : 1.2.0 Upstream Author : Nick Welch [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://incise.org/ * License

Re: Bug #298195: ITP: tinywm -- Ridiculously tiny window manager

2005-03-06 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Sun, Mar 06, 2005 at 02:38:35AM -0600, Nick Welch wrote: This is why random Joe off the street should not be writing licences. From what I can gather, the license was developed through discussion on OSI's mailing list, and in the end it was OSI who approved it. Quite different from

Re: Bug #298195: ITP: tinywm -- Ridiculously tiny window manager

2005-03-06 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Nick Welch [EMAIL PROTECTED] From what I can gather, the license was developed through discussion on OSI's mailing list, and in the end it was OSI who approved it. That only goes to show that the OSI has finally lost every last bit of sense they used to possess. -- Henning Makholm

Re: Bug#298195: ITP: tinywm -- Ridiculously tiny window manager

2005-03-06 Thread Marc Haber
On Sun, 6 Mar 2005 20:38:06 +1100, Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Mar 06, 2005 at 12:05:52AM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: On Sun, Mar 06, 2005 at 01:17:50AM +0900, Nobuhiro Iwamatsu wrote: * Package name: tinywm Version : 1.2.0 Upstream Author : Nick Welch

Bug#298195: ITP: tinywm -- Ridiculously tiny window manager

2005-03-05 Thread Nobuhiro Iwamatsu
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Nobuhiro Iwamatsu [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: tinywm Version : 1.2.0 Upstream Author : Nick Welch [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://incise.org/ * License : fair license Description : Ridiculously tiny window

Re: Bug#298195: ITP: tinywm -- Ridiculously tiny window manager

2005-03-05 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sun, Mar 06, 2005 at 01:17:50AM +0900, Nobuhiro Iwamatsu wrote: Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Nobuhiro Iwamatsu [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: tinywm Version : 1.2.0 Upstream Author : Nick Welch [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://incise.org/ *

Re: Bug#298195: ITP: tinywm -- Ridiculously tiny window manager

2005-03-05 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le dimanche 06 mars 2005 à 01:17 +0900, Nobuhiro Iwamatsu a écrit : TinyWM is a ridiculously tiny window manager implemented in nearly as few lines of C as possible, without being obfuscated or entirely useless. It allows you to move, resize, focus (sloppy), and raise windows. Describing

Re: Bug#298195: ITP: tinywm -- Ridiculously tiny window manager

2005-03-05 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sun, 2005-03-06 at 01:59 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le dimanche 06 mars 2005 à 01:17 +0900, Nobuhiro Iwamatsu a écrit : TinyWM is a ridiculously tiny window manager implemented in nearly as few lines of C as possible, without being obfuscated or entirely useless. It allows you to

Re: Re: Bug #298195: ITP: tinywm -- Ridiculously tiny window manager

2005-03-05 Thread Nick Welch
(not sure if i can post to this list, but what the hey) That's not a free license. In fact, it's about as non-free as you can get, since it's essentially all rights reserved; there's no permission to modify or redistribute at all. We can't distribute this, even in non-free. Here's the text:

Re: Bug#298195: ITP: tinywm -- Ridiculously tiny window manager

2005-03-05 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Sat, Mar 05, 2005 at 09:07:16PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On Sun, 2005-03-06 at 01:59 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le dimanche 06 mars 2005 ? 01:17 +0900, Nobuhiro Iwamatsu a ?crit : TinyWM is a ridiculously tiny window manager implemented in nearly as few lines of C as possible,

Re: Re: Bug #298195: ITP: tinywm -- Ridiculously tiny window manager

2005-03-05 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Sat, Mar 05, 2005 at 10:38:49PM -0600, Nick Welch wrote: (not sure if i can post to this list, but what the hey) That's not a free license. In fact, it's about as non-free as you can get, since it's essentially all rights reserved; there's no permission to modify or redistribute at

Re: Re: Bug #298195: ITP: tinywm -- Ridiculously tiny window manager

2005-03-05 Thread Nick Welch
Thanks for pointing this out. Now we have a concrete example of just how screwed up OSI is. That licence does not grant any permission to modify, redistribute, or otherwise deal in the work in a Free manner. For it to be judged as satisfying the Open Source Definition is ludicrous.

Re: Bug #298195: ITP: tinywm -- Ridiculously tiny window manager

2005-03-05 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote: That licence does not grant any permission to modify, redistribute, or otherwise deal in the work in a Free manner. For it to be judged as satisfying the Open Source Definition is ludicrous. Are you an Laywer, is that based on research? I mean, for me

Re: Bug #298195: ITP: tinywm -- Ridiculously tiny window manager

2005-03-05 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Sun, Mar 06, 2005 at 07:59:11AM +0100, Bernd Eckenfels wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote: That licence does not grant any permission to modify, redistribute, or otherwise deal in the work in a Free manner. For it to be judged as satisfying the Open Source Definition is

Re: Bug #298195: ITP: tinywm -- Ridiculously tiny window manager

2005-03-05 Thread Matthew Palmer
[no cc thanks] On Sun, Mar 06, 2005 at 12:16:03AM -0600, Nick Welch wrote: Thanks for pointing this out. Now we have a concrete example of just how screwed up OSI is. That licence does not grant any permission to modify, redistribute, or otherwise deal in the work in a Free manner. For

Re: Bug#298195: ITP: tinywm -- Ridiculously tiny window manager

2005-03-05 Thread Petri Latvala
On Sun, Mar 06, 2005 at 01:59:12AM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: Describing how the code is small si sure some fun, but is this package really useful for something? As described, it sounds just like one more random window manager nobody cares for. (I will some day learn to use reply to list

Re: Bug #298195: ITP: tinywm -- Ridiculously tiny window manager

2005-03-05 Thread Thomas Viehmann
Hi. Nick Welch wrote: (not sure if i can post to this list, but what the hey) Hey, thanks for joining the discussion. It's the fair license, which is OSI approved: http://opensource.org/licenses/fair.php Yet it seems that the BSD license's Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with