On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 03:50:00AM +0300, Serge wrote:
PS: I wish Debian had a similar stats page.
It's now possible with http.debian.org.
popcon reports its version number when it sends in statistics, from
which it's easy to derive the distribution in use. There's some stats
about that on the
2012/9/18 Jon Dowland wrote:
There's no need to walk through the minefield, it's already done.
Fedora lost more than half of the user base with the Fedora 15
release (GNOME3 and systemd).
[citation-needed]
Good point.
Initially it was a personal feeling. Many fedora users I know have
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 09:08:23PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
I'm so tired of these gnome2 vs gnome3 discussions...
Stop proliferating them then! They are orthogonal to the point of
this thread, and you will never shout down all the people who disagree
with your point of view.
--
To
Le mardi 18 septembre 2012 à 21:08 +0200, Wouter Verhelst a écrit :
I don't consider MATE to be future-proof.
And that's your good right, but that really doesn't mean anything.
It means that MATE developers do not have the knowledge to maintain
several of the components they ship.
The very
2012/9/11 Jon Dowland wrote:
I feel that the decision to change from GNOME to something else, on the
basis of complaints about GNOME 3, should only be considered after we've
actually released with at least one version of GNOME 3.
There's no need to walk through the minefield, it's already
On Tue, 18 Sep 2012, 19:45:36 EST, Serge sergem...@gmail.com wrote:
2012/9/11 Jon Dowland wrote:
I feel that the decision to change from GNOME to something else, on the
basis of complaints about GNOME 3, should only be considered after
we've actually released with at least one version of
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 12:45:36PM +0300, Serge wrote:
There's no need to walk through the minefield, it's already done.
Fedora lost more than half of the user base with the Fedora 15
release (GNOME3 and systemd).
[citation-needed]
They now bring GNOME2 back. [1] :)
[1]
GNOME is seeking people to develop the GNOME-Panel - if MATE
developers want a classical desktop environment based on modern
technologies, they should develop the GNOME-Panel instead of forking
unmaintained and outdated technology like Bonobo or GConf.
I don't consider MATE to be future-proof. If
*sigh*
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 03:21:06PM +0200, Matthias Klumpp wrote:
GNOME is seeking people to develop the GNOME-Panel - if MATE
developers want a classical desktop environment based on modern
technologies, they should develop the GNOME-Panel instead of forking
unmaintained and outdated
Hi!
2012/9/18 Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org:
[...]
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 03:21:06PM +0200, Matthias Klumpp wrote:
GNOME is seeking people to develop the GNOME-Panel - if MATE
developers want a classical desktop environment based on modern
technologies, they should develop the
Le lundi 10 septembre 2012 à 20:08 +0200, Karsten Merker a écrit :
I am not going to repeat all the discussions about GNOME 3, but
at least from the impressions I have gotten around here, many
previous GNOME 2 users seem not to consider GNOME 3 / GNOME shell
a continuation of their existing
Josselin Mouette writes (Re: CD1 without a network mirror isn't sufficient to
install a full desktop environment):
Le lundi 10 septembre 2012 à 20:08 +0200, Karsten Merker a écrit :
I am not going to repeat all the discussions about GNOME 3, but
at least from the impressions I have gotten
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 01:06:22PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
I have encountered numerous people who have been complained (not in
particular to me, just i general) about changes to GNOME. Not being a
GNOME user myself I don't really appreciate these complaints.
However, I have observed that
Le mardi 11 septembre 2012 à 13:06 +0100, Ian Jackson a écrit :
I have encountered numerous people who have been complained (not in
particular to me, just i general) about changes to GNOME. Not being a
GNOME user myself I don't really appreciate these complaints.
However, I have observed
On 11 September 2012 08:06, Ian Jackson ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk wrote:
Based on this, I think there is at the very least no reason to
reverse the decision to switch the Debian default to xfce.
Except as Paul said, the decision to make XFCE default for Wheezy has
not been made so it
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 01:52:44PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Just because these people are noisy doesn’t make them numerous.
Furthermore, Debian (and Ubuntu too IIRC) makes “GNOME classic”
available right from the login manager, with the default installation.
Not considering gnome-panel
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 03:23:09PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
You can’t be serious. Xfce is way more different from GNOME 2 than GNOME
3 classic is.
Well if gnome 3 classic was the default, then fine. But gnome 3 with
the new panel as default is really not acceptable and just plain mean
Le mardi 11 septembre 2012 à 10:32 -0400, Lennart Sorensen a écrit :
Well as a user, gnome-panel 3.x is NOT a continuation of gnome.
It is the same codebase, and has the same functionality.
When gnome 3 hit unstable, I switched to something else. I couldn't
find anything, or make it do any
Le mardi 11 septembre 2012 à 10:34 -0400, Lennart Sorensen a écrit :
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 03:23:09PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
You can’t be serious. Xfce is way more different from GNOME 2 than GNOME
3 classic is.
Well if gnome 3 classic was the default, then fine. But gnome 3
Jon Dowland writes (Re: CD1 without a network mirror isn't sufficient to
install a full desktop environment):
There is not a single Debian release with the version that is being
complained about. Therefore the audience of stable have not yet
tried it, and you're drawing conclusions from the
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 04:47:34PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
It is the same codebase, and has the same functionality.
It is the same source code tree, with a bunch of code completely changed,
and it certainly does not have the same functionality (although it may
be slowly gaining some of
Le mardi 11 septembre 2012 à 11:03 -0400, Lennart Sorensen a écrit :
If I can't find how to maximize a window, how to logout, or much of
anything else in the first 5 minutes of use, then it isn't usable.
Of course this is probably getting off topic for debian-boot and almost
debian-devel.
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 02:33:26PM -0400, Jeremy Bicha wrote:
On 9 September 2012 23:21, Ztatik Light ztatik.li...@gmail.com wrote:
According to popcon, Xfce is more common on Debian than GNOME... And
How do you figure that?
http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=meta-gnome3
Well, I know there *is* a Git commit to set it to xfce instead of gnome,
but I don't know how authoritative or influential it will end up being. I
also like the idea of compressing/trimming GNOME. Thanks for the feedback.
On 9 September 2012 23:21, Ztatik Light ztatik.li...@gmail.com wrote:
According to popcon, Xfce is more common on Debian than GNOME... And
How do you figure that?
http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=meta-gnome3
http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=xfce4
Just looking at popcon, GNOME is
Oops, yeah -- I guess I was mistaken. I was using `gnome-common' as the
basis, but I guess that's even less appropriate than something, like, say
... `gnome-panel' ... But, even *more* reason to not entirely push GNOME
aside for Xfce. ;)
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 1:33 PM, Jeremy Bicha
On Sep 10, 2012, at 11:08 AM, Karsten Merker wrote:
I do not think that making the default desktop environment
dependent on the type of the installation medium would be a good
idea; that would cause much confusion IMHO.
This was discussed years ago, but (with some trepidation) I'd like to
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 5:28 AM, Ztatik Light wrote:
But, even *more* reason to not entirely push GNOME
aside for Xfce. ;)
That hasn't happened at all, the tech media you have been reading and
believing neglected to check their facts:
pabs@chianamo ~/tasksel-3.13 $ grep -A3 tasksel/desktop
Just a quick suggestion. As a compromise, instead of enabling Xfce as the
universal default in tasksel *entirely* ... How about only enabling Xfce
as default for the CD* distribution, and leaving the default as GNOME for
all non-CD distributions? (DVD, netinst, ...)
That will express true
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