Re: Code of Conduct on the Debian mailinglists

2006-09-02 Thread Joe Smith
Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, Aug 07, 2006 at 11:39:51AM +0900, Miles Bader wrote: Joe Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So I really wonder why mailing lists are so common. It sort of depends on what you're looking for. Some advantages of

Re: Code of Conduct on the Debian mailinglists

2006-09-02 Thread Yavor Doganov
Joe Smith wrote: OE does support threading for Email, it is simply disabled by default. However overall the threading is more accuracte an reliable for newsgroups. Until this MUA is released under a free license and ported to the GNU system so it can be packaged, this crucial detail is out

Re: Code of Conduct on the Debian mailinglists

2006-08-15 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Aug 07, 2006 at 11:39:51AM +0900, Miles Bader wrote: Joe Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So I really wonder why mailing lists are so common. It sort of depends on what you're looking for. Some advantages of mailing lists: * E-mail generally has a wider reach -- it gets past

Re: Code of Conduct on the Debian mailinglists

2006-08-15 Thread Mark Brown
On Tue, Aug 15, 2006 at 01:47:59PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Mon, Aug 07, 2006 at 11:39:51AM +0900, Miles Bader wrote: * E-mail generally has a wider reach -- it gets past corporate firewalls, (my company has never allowed external nntp connections), works even on strange

Re: Code of Conduct on the Debian mailinglists

2006-08-15 Thread Norbert Tretkowski
* Matthias Julius wrote: [Mail vs. News] * A mailing list is easier to distribute with a slow server/connection. If a mail takes 3 minutes to show up in your mailbox it doesn't matter. If each news post takes 15 seconds to load it gets annoying. Programs like slrnpull and leafnode which

Re: Code of Conduct on the Debian mailinglists

2006-08-15 Thread Matthias Julius
Norbert Tretkowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * Matthias Julius wrote: [Mail vs. News] * A mailing list is easier to distribute with a slow server/connection. If a mail takes 3 minutes to show up in your mailbox it doesn't matter. If each news post takes 15 seconds to load it gets

Re: Code of Conduct on the Debian mailinglists

2006-08-15 Thread Miles Bader
Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * E-mail generally has a wider reach -- it gets past corporate firewalls, (my company has never allowed external nntp connections), works even on strange systems, etc. Point. Then again, if your corporate sysadmins don't want you reading

Re: Code of Conduct on the Debian mailinglists

2006-08-14 Thread Matthias Julius
Miles Bader [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Joe Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So I really wonder why mailing lists are so common. It sort of depends on what you're looking for. Some advantages of mailing lists: * E-mail generally has a wider reach -- it gets past corporate firewalls,

Re: Code of Conduct on the Debian mailinglists

2006-08-06 Thread Miles Bader
Joe Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So I really wonder why mailing lists are so common. It sort of depends on what you're looking for. Some advantages of mailing lists: * E-mail generally has a wider reach -- it gets past corporate firewalls, (my company has never allowed external nntp

Re: Code of Conduct on the Debian mailinglists

2006-08-05 Thread Joe Smith
Ben Pfaff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Magnus Holmgren [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No problem at all. Especially with gmane.org around. I used to subscribe to dozens of mailing lists, but now I can just browse all of them as newsgroups. I agree, I use Gmane

Re: Code of Conduct on the Debian mailinglists

2006-08-04 Thread Magnus Holmgren
On Thursday 03 August 2006 23:37, John Goerzen took the opportunity to say: The mailer is doing the right thing. Sending a CC isn't a shout. The sender isn't. If the sender doesn't want CCs, it's fully within the sender's power to specify that in the list headers. Most senders on this list

Re: Code of Conduct on the Debian mailinglists

2006-08-04 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Aug 04, 2006 at 08:21:28AM +0200, Magnus Holmgren wrote: In short, it's a mess. Lots of improvements can be made, to MUAs, MLMs, as well as MTAs. An RFC straightening things out could help. ... Or we could all just forget about mailinglists and start using newsgroups instead. They

Re: Code of Conduct on the Debian mailinglists

2006-08-04 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Aug 04, 2006 at 03:04:05PM +1000, Ben Finney wrote: Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You know, I use a mail program. Replying to people is in my fingers as hitting a button. A very specific button, especially for that purpose. I expect my MUA to Do The Right Thing (TM).

Re: Code of Conduct on the Debian mailinglists

2006-08-04 Thread James Vega
On Fri, Aug 04, 2006 at 03:04:05PM +1000, Ben Finney wrote: Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You know, I use a mail program. Replying to people is in my fingers as hitting a button. A very specific button, especially for that purpose. I expect my MUA to Do The Right Thing (TM).

Re: Code of Conduct on the Debian mailinglists

2006-08-04 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le vendredi 04 août 2006 à 09:45 -0400, James Vega a écrit : This is something that should be solved on the list manager side by not sending a duplicate of the email when it can see that an email was already sent to an address it recognizes. In fact, some of the lists I'm subscribed to do

Re: Code of Conduct on the Debian mailinglists

2006-08-04 Thread Magnus Holmgren
On Friday 04 August 2006 09:57, Wouter Verhelst took the opportunity to say: On Fri, Aug 04, 2006 at 08:21:28AM +0200, Magnus Holmgren wrote: In short, it's a mess. Lots of improvements can be made, to MUAs, MLMs, as well as MTAs. An RFC straightening things out could help. ... Or we could

Re: Code of Conduct on the Debian mailinglists

2006-08-04 Thread Loïc Minier
On Fri, Aug 04, 2006, Josselin Mouette wrote: This would be absolutely horrible. Most list subscribers use the headers to put list email in separate directories, and this would make some mails miss from the discussion. It's an end-user configurable feature of mailman, so you can turn it on

Re: Code of Conduct on the Debian mailinglists

2006-08-04 Thread Russ Allbery
Loïc Minier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, Aug 04, 2006, Josselin Mouette wrote: This would be absolutely horrible. Most list subscribers use the headers to put list email in separate directories, and this would make some mails miss from the discussion. It's an end-user configurable

Re: Code of Conduct on the Debian mailinglists

2006-08-04 Thread Ben Pfaff
Magnus Holmgren [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Friday 04 August 2006 09:57, Wouter Verhelst took the opportunity to say: On Fri, Aug 04, 2006 at 08:21:28AM +0200, Magnus Holmgren wrote: In short, it's a mess. Lots of improvements can be made, to MUAs, MLMs, as well as MTAs. An RFC

Code of Conduct on the Debian mailinglists

2006-08-03 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Aug 03, 2006 at 10:20:26AM +0200, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: On Wed, 2006-08-02 at 15:34 -0500, John Goerzen wrote: Ok, third time. Please do not do that: To: George Danchev [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: debian-devel@lists.debian.org Then SET YOUR HEADERS to reflect that, like

Re: Code of Conduct on the Debian mailinglists

2006-08-03 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Thu, 2006-08-03 at 20:30 +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Thu, Aug 03, 2006 at 10:20:26AM +0200, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: On Wed, 2006-08-02 at 15:34 -0500, John Goerzen wrote: Ok, third time. Please do not do that: To: George Danchev [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC:

Re: Code of Conduct on the Debian mailinglists

2006-08-03 Thread John Goerzen
On Thu, Aug 03, 2006 at 10:24:10PM +0200, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: You know, I use a mail program. Replying to people is in my fingers as hitting a button. A very specific button, especially for that purpose. I expect my MUA to Do The Right Thing (TM). It usually does, except on the Debian

Re: Code of Conduct on the Debian mailinglists

2006-08-03 Thread George Danchev
On Friday 04 August 2006 00:37, John Goerzen wrote: On Thu, Aug 03, 2006 at 10:24:10PM +0200, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: You know, I use a mail program. Replying to people is in my fingers as hitting a button. A very specific button, especially for that purpose. I expect my MUA to Do The

Re: Code of Conduct on the Debian mailinglists

2006-08-03 Thread John Goerzen
On Fri, Aug 04, 2006 at 01:27:15AM +0300, George Danchev wrote: On Friday 04 August 2006 00:37, John Goerzen wrote: If your mailer makes you automatically go shouting on the push of a button, it may be time to download the source and get some serious hacking done. The mailer is doing

Re: Code of Conduct on the Debian mailinglists

2006-08-03 Thread Matthias Julius
John Goerzen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am on dozens of mailing lists. There are thousands of participants on this list alone. I subscribe to, and leave, mailing lists all the time. Why should a person with a personal preference expect me to shoulder the burden of maintaining a mental list

Re: Code of Conduct on the Debian mailinglists

2006-08-03 Thread Ben Finney
Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You know, I use a mail program. Replying to people is in my fingers as hitting a button. A very specific button, especially for that purpose. I expect my MUA to Do The Right Thing (TM). Most MUAs will do the right thing when you reply; they'll send a