Re: Collaborative decision making with Loomio

2018-07-27 Thread Holger Levsen
On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 03:23:08PM +0200, Philipp Kern wrote: > Yup, but to note: Consensus-driven arguments can only go so far and scale > poorly with more people. Ultimately contentious issues need to be voted on, > otherwise you can be held hostage by a single person or small vocal group.

Re: Collaborative decision making with Loomio

2018-07-27 Thread Philipp Kern
On 2018-07-27 10:46, Joerg Jaspert wrote: On 15111 March 1977, Dmitry Smirnov wrote: Loomio [1] is a powerful tool to organize decision making. We have a long standing RFP [2] for Loomio and I hope that with help of Ruby team it can be packaged without too much effort. It is not the tool

Re: Collaborative decision making with Loomio

2018-07-27 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 15111 March 1977, Dmitry Smirnov wrote: >> You can't solve a social problem using technical means. > I do not share your skepticism. We can benefit from imposing some structure > and there is nothing wrong about exploring options to _improve_ the process > while not necessarily aiming at

Re: Collaborative decision making with Loomio

2018-07-27 Thread Dmitry Smirnov
On Friday, 27 July 2018 6:46:33 PM AEST Joerg Jaspert wrote: > You can't solve a social problem using technical means. I do not share your skepticism. We can benefit from imposing some structure and there is nothing wrong about exploring options to _improve_ the process while not necessarily

Re: Collaborative decision making with Loomio

2018-07-27 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 15111 March 1977, Dmitry Smirnov wrote: > Loomio [1] is a powerful tool to organize decision making. We have a long > standing RFP [2] for Loomio and I hope that with help of Ruby team it can be > packaged without too much effort. It is not the tool here that is the problem. It is the

Collaborative decision making with Loomio

2018-07-27 Thread Dmitry Smirnov
Here in Debian we often need to coordinate decision making between multiple people. Mail list is not a proper instrument to facilitate that task as it is difficult to find out where things stand and who is winning the argument. Loomio [1] is a powerful tool to organize decision making. We have