Re: DAK Commands for Bikesheds

On 09/21/2015 06:12 PM, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > Hi, > > On Sun, 20 Sep 2015, Joerg Jaspert wrote: >>> (It seems they are implicitly considered a master when updating the >>> bikeshed's ACLs) I would have thought "Owner:" would make more sense >>> than "Master:" fwiw. >> >> Then you end up having

Re: DAK Commands for Bikesheds

On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 10:14:04PM +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: > On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 08:39:19PM +0200, Jeffrey Ratcliffe wrote: > > > > Has anyone mentioned git? > > No, nor split. > biff ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biff#Origin_and_name ) Groeten Geert Stappers -- Leven en laten

Re: DAK Commands for Bikesheds

On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 08:39:19PM +0200, Jeffrey Ratcliffe wrote: > On 23 September 2015 at 00:16, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > unzip ; strip ; touch ; grep ; finger ; mount ; fsck ; more ; yes ; umount > > ; sleep > > Has anyone mentioned git? No, nor split. -- "If you're

Re: DAK Commands for Bikesheds

On 09/17/2015 05:41 AM, Raphael Hertzog wrote: Hi, On Thu, 17 Sep 2015, Joerg Jaspert wrote: Please check if I forgot something obvious or if there is some big error in it. Patches/git trees to merge from/... are welcome. Please don't call this feature "Bikesheds" and don't hardcode this

Re: DAK Commands for Bikesheds

On 23 September 2015 at 00:16, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > unzip ; strip ; touch ; grep ; finger ; mount ; fsck ; more ; yes ; umount ; > sleep Has anyone mentioned git? Jeff

Re: DAK Commands for Bikesheds

On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 10:58:15 +0200, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 06:41:53PM +0200, Jakub Wilk wrote: > > * Joerg Jaspert , 2015-09-17, 13:42: > > >I defined the possible commands for the upcoming bikeshed feature, > > > > It's the first time I hear about

Re: DAK Commands for Bikesheds

On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 06:52:41PM +0200, Jakub Wilk wrote: > * Robert Edmonds , 2015-09-17, 15:04: > >Wookey wrote: > [...] > >>Bikeshed is an appropriate name, in the unix tradition of mildly > >>amusing/punny names. > > > >Which tradition would that be? > > > >Out of the few

Re: DAK Commands for Bikesheds

On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 06:41:53PM +0200, Jakub Wilk wrote: > * Joerg Jaspert , 2015-09-17, 13:42: > >I defined the possible commands for the upcoming bikeshed feature, > > It's the first time I hear about the "bikeshed feature". Perhaps you should > explain the term first. > >

Re: DAK Commands for Bikesheds

On 14071 March 1977, Anthony Towns wrote: >> > For the "Master" and "Uploader" fields, it would probably be nice if >> > you could specify DDs by uid instead of just fingerprint. (Especially >> > so that updates to the keyring were automatically reflected in bikeshed >> > permissions) >>

Re: DAK Commands for Bikesheds

Hi, On Sun, 20 Sep 2015, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > > (It seems they are implicitly considered a master when updating the > > bikeshed's ACLs) I would have thought "Owner:" would make more sense > > than "Master:" fwiw. > > Then you end up having multiple owners. Master IMO shows better what the >

Re: DAK Commands for Bikesheds

On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 01:42:58PM +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > Please check if I forgot something obvious or if there is some big error > in it. Patches/git trees to merge from/... are welcome. dcut from dput-ng uses $login-$timestamp rather than "EPOCH" per se. Does this actually matter, or is

Re: DAK Commands for Bikesheds

On 09/18/2015 02:51 PM, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 01:29:22PM +0100, Wookey wrote: >> +++ Colin Tuckley [2015-09-18 12:22 +0100]: >>> We certainly (imho) don't want anything in Debian given that description >> >> >> >> Oh yes we do! >> >> > > Should we leave this naming to

Re: DAK Commands for Bikesheds

On Sun, Sep 20, 2015 at 03:48:24PM +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > I've updated https://ftp-master.debian.org/users/joerg/README.commands > with hopefully not too many new errors. :) Minor nit (assuming I've got the naming convention right). --- README.commands.orig2015-09-20

Re: DAK Commands for Bikesheds

On 14070 March 1977, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > On Sun, Sep 20, 2015 at 03:48:24PM +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote: >> I've updated https://ftp-master.debian.org/users/joerg/README.commands> with >> hopefully not too many new errors. :) > Minor nit (assuming I've got the naming convention right).

Re: DAK Commands for Bikesheds

On 14070 March 1977, Anthony Towns wrote: >> Please check if I forgot something obvious or if there is some big error >> in it. Patches/git trees to merge from/... are welcome. > dcut from dput-ng uses $login-$timestamp rather than "EPOCH" per se. Does > this actually matter, or is it just

Re: DAK Commands for Bikesheds

On Sun, Sep 20, 2015 at 03:48:24PM +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > > That's unusual. Is having multiple packages on a single header also > > valid? eg: > > Package: glibc, systemd, sysvinit > > ? > I think it's cleaner to have one per package tag, but its either that or > only one line,

Re: DAK Commands for Bikesheds

Hi, Philip Hands wrote: > Colin Tuckley writes: > > > On 18/09/15 22:23, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > > > >> what the heck bikesheds are. > > > > What you seem to not be understanding, possibly because English is not > > your first language, is that anything associated with the

Re: DAK Commands for Bikesheds

Le jeudi 17 septembre 2015 à 13:42 +0200, Joerg Jaspert a écrit : > https://ftp-master.debian.org/users/joerg/README.commands Thanks for the documentation (and for the code!). How do you upload a package to a bikeshed? Just set bs-whatever as the suite in the changes file? -- .''`.

Re: DAK Commands for Bikesheds

Colin Tuckley writes: > On 18/09/15 22:23, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > >> what the heck bikesheds are. > > What you seem to not be understanding, possibly because English is not > your first language, is that anything associated with the term > 'bikeshed' is very *negative*. > >

Re: DAK Commands for Bikesheds

On 17/09/15 at 15:04 -0400, Robert Edmonds wrote: > Wookey wrote: > > +++ Raphael Hertzog [2015-09-17 14:41 +0200]: > > > Hi, > > > > > > On Thu, 17 Sep 2015, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > > > > Please check if I forgot something obvious or if there is some big error > > > > in it. Patches/git trees to

Re: DAK Commands for Bikesheds

Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > On 17/09/15 at 15:04 -0400, Robert Edmonds wrote: > > Wookey wrote: > > > +++ Raphael Hertzog [2015-09-17 14:41 +0200]: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > On Thu, 17 Sep 2015, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > > > > > Please check if I forgot something obvious or if there is some big > > >

Re: DAK Commands for Bikesheds

* Neil Williams: " Re: DAK Commands for Bikesheds" (Thu, 17 Sep 2015 17:44:11 +0100): > On Thu, 17 Sep 2015 17:20:21 +0100 > Dominic Hargreaves <d...@earth.li> wrote: > > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 04:39:43PM +0100, Wookey wrote: > > > +++ Raphael Hert

Re: DAK Commands for Bikesheds

On 14068 March 1977, Ian Jackson wrote: > It's a lovely joke but unfortunately the word `bikeshed' already means > something else in a computer/geeky context. So these things > shouldn't be called bikesheds for the same reason that a computer > shouldn't be called `down' or `internet'. > If we

Re: DAK Commands for Bikesheds

On 18/09/15 22:23, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > what the heck bikesheds are. What you seem to not be understanding, possibly because English is not your first language, is that anything associated with the term 'bikeshed' is very *negative*. They have strong derogatory connotations, so much so that I

Re: DAK Commands for Bikesheds

On 14067 March 1977, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > Second, the reason why I started writing: I defined the possible > commands for the upcoming bikeshed feature, which use the same command > interface as the DM commands do. And there has been the very valid point that I haven't explained here what the

Re: DAK Commands for Bikesheds

On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 12:33 PM, Geert Stappers <stapp...@stappers.nl> wrote: > On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 12:17:22PM +0200, Mathias Behrle wrote: >> * Neil Williams: " Re: DAK Commands for Bikesheds" (Thu, 17 Sep 2015 >> 17:44:11 +0100): >> > On Thu, 17 Se

Re: DAK Commands for Bikesheds

Someone wrote (I can't work out who in the nested quotes): > There is a strong British tradition, exported to a range of other > countries, of engineers toiling away in garden sheds, inventing > stuff - be it cars, engines, radios, metalwork, carpentry ... > anything someone can produce which

Re: DAK Commands for Bikesheds

+++ Colin Tuckley [2015-09-18 12:22 +0100]: > We certainly (imho) don't want anything in Debian given that description Oh yes we do! (Possibly another British tradition that will be somewhat mysterious to the rest of the world :-)

Re: DAK Commands for Bikesheds

On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 01:29:22PM +0100, Wookey wrote: > +++ Colin Tuckley [2015-09-18 12:22 +0100]: > > We certainly (imho) don't want anything in Debian given that description > > > > Oh yes we do! > > Should we leave this naming to the people actually doing the work to implement this?

Re: DAK Commands for Bikesheds

On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 12:17:22PM +0200, Mathias Behrle wrote: > * Neil Williams: " Re: DAK Commands for Bikesheds" (Thu, 17 Sep 2015 17:44:11 > +0100): > > On Thu, 17 Sep 2015 17:20:21 +0100 Dominic Hargreaves wrote: > > > > There is a strong British tradi

Re: DAK Commands for Bikesheds

Wookey writes ("Re: DAK Commands for Bikesheds"): > It wasn't supposed to be a joke. Bikeshed is an appropriate name, in > the unix tradition of mildly amusing/punny names. It's a lovely joke but unfortunately the word `bikeshed' already means something else in a computer/ge

Re: DAK Commands for Bikesheds

On 2015-09-18 14:03:17 +0100 (+0100), Ian Jackson wrote: [...] > they could be called some other kind of shed or hut or something. [...] While marvellously entertaining, I can only hope that the irony of this protracted debate is not entirely lost on its participants. -- Jeremy Stanley

Re: DAK Commands for Bikesheds

* Joerg Jaspert , 2015-09-17, 13:42: I defined the possible commands for the upcoming bikeshed feature, It's the first time I hear about the "bikeshed feature". Perhaps you should explain the term first. (Believe it or not, most debian-devel readers were not at DebConf.)

Re: DAK Commands for Bikesheds

* Robert Edmonds , 2015-09-17, 15:04: Wookey wrote: [...] Bikeshed is an appropriate name, in the unix tradition of mildly amusing/punny names. Which tradition would that be? Out of the few hundred or so Unix [0] and GNU [1] commands listed on Wikipedia, the only

Re: DAK Commands for Bikesheds

* Lars Wirzenius , 2015-09-18, 15:51: Should we leave this naming to the people actually doing the work to implement this? Indeed! It's a fundamental rule of Debian do-o-cracy that you should never listen to people who are not doing the work, as they can't possibly be right

Re: DAK Commands for Bikesheds

On Sep 18 2015, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 01:29:22PM +0100, Wookey wrote: >> +++ Colin Tuckley [2015-09-18 12:22 +0100]: >> > We certainly (imho) don't want anything in Debian given that description >> >> >> >> Oh yes we do! >> >> > > Should we leave this

Re: DAK Commands for Bikesheds

+++ Jakub Wilk [2015-09-18 18:52 +0200]: > * Robert Edmonds , 2015-09-17, 15:04: > >Wookey wrote: > "less" & "most" (most is great and hardly ever installed on a random box, which is a pity. Try it.) Wookey -- Principal hats: Linaro, Debian, Wookware, ARM

DAK Commands for Bikesheds

Hi, first off I haven't found a "Standard" document documenting the command feature of dak as currently used for DMs, so if there is one, that should be merged with what I wrote up now. Second, the reason why I started writing: I defined the possible commands for the upcoming bikeshed feature,

Re: DAK Commands for Bikesheds

Hi, On Thu, 17 Sep 2015, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > Please check if I forgot something obvious or if there is some big error > in it. Patches/git trees to merge from/... are welcome. Please don't call this feature "Bikesheds" and don't hardcode this naming in the suggested API. It was funny during

Re: DAK Commands for Bikesheds

On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 04:39:43PM +0100, Wookey wrote: > +++ Raphael Hertzog [2015-09-17 14:41 +0200]: > > Hi, > > > > On Thu, 17 Sep 2015, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > > > Please check if I forgot something obvious or if there is some big error > > > in it. Patches/git trees to merge from/... are

Re: DAK Commands for Bikesheds

On Thu, 17 Sep 2015 17:20:21 +0100 Dominic Hargreaves wrote: > On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 04:39:43PM +0100, Wookey wrote: > > +++ Raphael Hertzog [2015-09-17 14:41 +0200]: > > > Hi, > > > > > > On Thu, 17 Sep 2015, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > > > > Please check if I forgot something

Re: DAK Commands for Bikesheds

Joerg Jaspert wrote: >On 14067 March 1977, Raphael Hertzog wrote: >>> Please check if I forgot something obvious or if there is some big error >>> in it. Patches/git trees to merge from/... are welcome. >> Please don't call this feature "Bikesheds" and don't hardcode this naming >> in the

Re: DAK Commands for Bikesheds

+++ Raphael Hertzog [2015-09-17 14:41 +0200]: > Hi, > > On Thu, 17 Sep 2015, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > > Please check if I forgot something obvious or if there is some big error > > in it. Patches/git trees to merge from/... are welcome. > > Please don't call this feature "Bikesheds" and don't

Re: DAK Commands for Bikesheds

On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 02:41:11PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > Hi, > > On Thu, 17 Sep 2015, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > > Please check if I forgot something obvious or if there is some big error > > in it. Patches/git trees to merge from/... are welcome. > > Please don't call this feature

Re: DAK Commands for Bikesheds

On 14067 March 1977, Raphael Hertzog wrote: >> Please check if I forgot something obvious or if there is some big error >> in it. Patches/git trees to merge from/... are welcome. > Please don't call this feature "Bikesheds" and don't hardcode this naming > in the suggested API. It was funny during

Re: DAK Commands for Bikesheds

Steve McIntyre writes: > Joerg Jaspert wrote: >>On 14067 March 1977, Raphael Hertzog wrote: Please check if I forgot something obvious or if there is some big error in it. Patches/git trees to merge from/... are welcome. >>> Please don't call this feature "Bikesheds"

Re: DAK Commands for Bikesheds

On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 04:39:43PM +0100, Wookey wrote: > It wasn't supposed to be a joke. Bikeshed is an appropriate name, in > the unix tradition of mildly amusing/punny names. Not to mention that this bikeshed thread about the Bikeshed name is going to be both epic and very meta. -- Stefano

Re: DAK Commands for Bikesheds

Wookey wrote: > +++ Raphael Hertzog [2015-09-17 14:41 +0200]: > > Hi, > > > > On Thu, 17 Sep 2015, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > > > Please check if I forgot something obvious or if there is some big error > > > in it. Patches/git trees to merge from/... are welcome. > > > > Please don't call this

Re: DAK Commands for Bikesheds

Le jeudi 17 septembre 2015 à 18:52 +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit : > Not to mention that this bikeshed thread about the Bikeshed name is > going to be both epic and very meta. I herd you like bikesheds… -- .''`. Josselin Mouette : :' : `. `' `-

Re: DAK Commands for Bikesheds

On 2015-09-17 at 15:04, Robert Edmonds wrote: > Wookey wrote: > >> +++ Raphael Hertzog [2015-09-17 14:41 +0200]: >>> Please don't call this feature "Bikesheds" and don't hardcode >>> this naming in the suggested API. It was funny during one Debconf >>> talk... but it won't be funny in the long

Re: DAK Commands for Bikesheds

On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 11:19:57PM -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > I concur that this sort of wordplay in naming is a *nix tradition; > however, I withhold comment as to whether the name "bikeshed" is > appropriate in this case, as the first I remember hearing about them is > this thread and I don't