Re: DPL Debate prepared questions list [Debian Policy Sucks]

2006-03-21 Thread Ritesh Raj Sarraf
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Anthony DeRobertis on Tuesday 21 Mar 2006 06:34 wrote: Ritesh Raj Sarraf wrote: Now, there was a known issue with those cards with e1000 driver upto kernel 2.6.11, IIRC. Hmmm, and 2.6.12 panics (bug #327355 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) when I

Re: DPL Debate prepared questions list [Debian Policy Sucks]

2006-03-21 Thread Luis Matos
Ritesh Raj Sarraf wrote: On Tuesday 21 March 2006 02:09, Joey Hess wrote: Ritesh Raj Sarraf wrote: So what do you people suggest in such cases: 1) Intel 1000MT NIC sucks, throw it away ? 2) Unh! Why don't you change to Debian Unstable ? 3) Buddy! We are all volunteers. Go and roll

Re: DPL Debate prepared questions list [Debian Policy Sucks]

2006-03-20 Thread Ritesh Raj Sarraf
On Tuesday 21 March 2006 00:08, Adrian von Bidder wrote: On Saturday 18 March 2006 17:32, Roland Mas wrote: Thaddeus H. Black, 2006-03-18 16:00:11 +0100 : It appears that to have a Enterprise Grade Debian Distribution, we need a SPOC [ed.: Single Point of Contact?] team which can address

Re: DPL Debate prepared questions list [Debian Policy Sucks]

2006-03-20 Thread Joey Hess
Ritesh Raj Sarraf wrote: So what do you people suggest in such cases: 1) Intel 1000MT NIC sucks, throw it away ? 2) Unh! Why don't you change to Debian Unstable ? 3) Buddy! We are all volunteers. Go and roll your own kernel with the patches ? 4) Wait! That hardware isn't officially

e1000 support in Debian [Was: Re: DPL Debate prepared questions list [Debian Policy Sucks]]

2006-03-20 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Mar 20, 2006 at 03:39:45PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: Ritesh Raj Sarraf wrote: So what do you people suggest in such cases: 1) Intel 1000MT NIC sucks, throw it away ? 2) Unh! Why don't you change to Debian Unstable ? 3) Buddy! We are all volunteers. Go and roll your own kernel with

Re: DPL Debate prepared questions list [Debian Policy Sucks]

2006-03-20 Thread Ritesh Raj Sarraf
On Tuesday 21 March 2006 02:09, Joey Hess wrote: Ritesh Raj Sarraf wrote: So what do you people suggest in such cases: 1) Intel 1000MT NIC sucks, throw it away ? 2) Unh! Why don't you change to Debian Unstable ? 3) Buddy! We are all volunteers. Go and roll your own kernel with the

Re: DPL Debate prepared questions list [Debian Policy Sucks]

2006-03-20 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Mar 20, Ritesh Raj Sarraf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what do you people suggest in such cases: If you need a distribution which supports modern hardware, then you should switch to Ubuntu. -- ciao, Marco signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: DPL Debate prepared questions list [Debian Policy Sucks]

2006-03-20 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006, Ritesh Raj Sarraf wrote: On Tuesday 21 March 2006 02:09, Joey Hess wrote: 5) etch beta 2 was released last week with support for your hardware But there might have been many Debian Users who might have discovered this issue earlier. What choice are they given ? They

Re: DPL Debate prepared questions list [Debian Policy Sucks]

2006-03-20 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Ritesh Raj Sarraf [EMAIL PROTECTED] [060320 22:14]: RHEL and SLES do a damn good job of Hardware Bug Fixing and Feature Enhancement for the software they ship. Why can't we do it ? Is it just because our policy doesn't allow it ? Can't we revise the policy ? Of course policies can be

Re: DPL Debate prepared questions list [Debian Policy Sucks]

2006-03-20 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 02:43:38 +0530, Ritesh wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tuesday 21 March 2006 02:09, Joey Hess wrote: Ritesh Raj Sarraf wrote: So what do you people suggest in such cases: 1) Intel 1000MT NIC sucks, throw it away ? 2) Unh! Why don't you change to Debian

Re: e1000 support in Debian [Was: Re: DPL Debate prepared questions list [Debian Policy Sucks]]

2006-03-20 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 3/20/06, Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Mar 20, 2006 at 03:39:45PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: Ritesh Raj Sarraf wrote: So what do you people suggest in such cases: 1) Intel 1000MT NIC sucks, throw it away ? 2) Unh! Why don't you change to Debian Unstable ? 3) Buddy!

Re: DPL Debate prepared questions list [Debian Policy Sucks]

2006-03-20 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On 20 Mar 2006, Ritesh Raj Sarraf said this: So what do you people suggest in such cases: 1) Intel 1000MT NIC sucks, throw it away ? 2) Unh! Why don't you change to Debian Unstable ? 3) Buddy! We are all volunteers. Go and roll your own kernel with the patches ? 4) Wait! That hardware

Re: e1000 support in Debian [Was: Re: DPL Debate prepared questions list [Debian Policy Sucks]]

2006-03-20 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Mar 21, 2006 at 01:01:28AM +0100, Olaf van der Spek wrote: On 3/20/06, Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Mar 20, 2006 at 03:39:45PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: Ritesh Raj Sarraf wrote: So what do you people suggest in such cases: 1) Intel 1000MT NIC sucks, throw it

Re: DPL Debate prepared questions list [Debian Policy Sucks]

2006-03-20 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
Ritesh Raj Sarraf wrote: Now, there was a known issue with those cards with e1000 driver upto kernel 2.6.11, IIRC. Hmmm, and 2.6.12 panics (bug #327355 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) when I try and use the tape drive on my machine. New versions not only fix bugs, but introduce new ones, too.

Re: DPL Debate prepared questions list [Debian Policy Sucks]

2006-03-20 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-03-20 20:04]: Hmmm, and 2.6.12 panics (bug #327355 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) when I try and use the tape drive on my machine. New versions not only Anthony, do you still see this bug with 2.6.15 or (better yet) 2.6.16? (will be uploaded tomorrow).

Re: DPL Debate prepared questions list [Debian Policy Sucks]

2006-03-20 Thread Rui Silva
UBUNTU realy works, and is stable. I've instaled it on a few servers now, and i'm quite happy with it.but my question is. Why don't you just build your own kernel from source. download the vannilla souces and do it. it's not that hard on debian. it's easier on gentoo, but in debian it's almost

Re: DPL Debate prepared questions list [Debian Policy Sucks]

2006-03-20 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Rui Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-03-21 01:02]: Since debian is build thru volunteer, why don't you contribute whith something... FWIW, kmuto-san has prepated sarge d-i images with a modern kernel: http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm And backports.org has modern kernels for sarge. --

Re: DPL Debate prepared questions list [Debian Policy Sucks]

2006-03-20 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
Martin Michlmayr wrote: Anthony, do you still see this bug with 2.6.15 or (better yet) 2.6.16? (will be uploaded tomorrow). 2.6.15, yes. I'll check 2.6.16 when it hits unstable (I'm guessing, though I still need to test, that the ide-tape cleanup in 2.6.9 borked it) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE,

Re: DPL Debate prepared questions list [Debian Policy Sucks]

2006-03-20 Thread Christian Perrier
(dropping -curiosathe raised issue is a real issue) which are known to work with Debian Stable? 5) etch beta 2 was released last week with support for your hardware I'm not sure that many people are seriously considering an etch beta to install as a client's firewall solution. The