Re: Decision on R datasets

2013-09-29 Thread Faheem Mitha
Hi Dirk, Sorry, I only just saw this message. I forgot to ask for a CC in my original message. On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 20:22:01 + (UTC), Dirk Eddelbuettele...@debian.org wrote: Faheem Mitha faheem at faheem.info writes: I'm sorry to hear that you will not be working on R packaging for

Re: Decision on R datasets

2013-09-28 Thread Andreas Tille
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 09:32:01PM +, Faheem Mitha wrote: I had noticed you doing a lot of work on R packaging, and would like to express my appreciation. I know much of the time packaging can seem like hard and thankless work. Having done several R packages myself I need to admit that

Re: Decision on R datasets

2013-09-28 Thread Andreas Tille
On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 10:31:47PM +0100, Stephen Gran wrote: Charles' statement made me nervous because it sounds like he is saying he's not interested in looking carefully enough to know which side of any line he's on, and he wants to use Debian resources to redistribute that lack of

Re: Decision on R datasets

2013-09-28 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Andreas Tille On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 10:31:47PM +0100, Stephen Gran wrote: Charles' statement made me nervous because it sounds like he is saying he's not interested in looking carefully enough to know which side of any line he's on, and he wants to use Debian resources to

Re: Decision on R datasets

2013-09-28 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 10:10:07PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen a écrit : Not in the preferred form for modification means you're not distributing the source. We don't do that. Hi Tollef and everybody, please, I would like people to accept that things are not black and white. In preferred form

Re: Decision on R datasets

2013-09-27 Thread Dirk Eddelbuettel
Faheem Mitha faheem at faheem.info writes: I'm sorry to hear that you will not be working on R packaging for Debian any more. Unfortunately. there are very few people working on R packaging in Debian. There is Dirk, of course, but few other names appear consistently. In particular, there is

Re: Decision on R datasets

2013-09-27 Thread Dirk Eddelbuettel
Dirk Eddelbuettel edd at debian.org writes: There is Don Armstrong's r-debian.debian.net which turns CRAN packages Sorry: http://debian-r.debian.net/ is the correct address. Dirk -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe.

Re: Decision on R datasets

2013-09-25 Thread Faheem Mitha
Hi Charles (and everyone else), On Sun, 22 Sep 2013 12:28:11 +0900, Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org wrote: Hi Paul, FTP team and everybody, first, let me underline that if the FTP team wants to disuss and amend its decision, I will be happy to participate. I think that the only good

Re: Decision on R datasets

2013-09-22 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 09/22/2013 05:31 AM, Stephen Gran wrote: Charles' statement made me nervous because it sounds like he is saying he's not interested in looking carefully enough What Charles wrote, was that he has too much work and not enough time, not that he is not interested in looking carefully enough.

Re: Decision on R datasets

2013-09-22 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 13342 March 1977, Charles Plessy wrote: I think that the only good solution is to engage with the R community and make them change their practice of distributing data in binary format in the source packages. Thats a maintainers job. Feel free to do so, we won't hold you back. I think

Re: Decision on R datasets

2013-09-21 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 12:08:27AM +0200, Joerg Jaspert a écrit : Therefore, we shall consider these data files as preferred form of modification if the data was captured in this format from a scientific instrument, created manually and painstakingly by hand (this is not the common case), or

Re: Decision on R datasets

2013-09-21 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Charles Plessy said: I therefore decided to stop uploading R packages to Debian. I use some of these packages on multiple computers, and will keep on sharing my work with others on Alioth, but that is all. For any of them where I was the sole uploader, please

Re: Decision on R datasets

2013-09-21 Thread Russ Allbery
Stephen Gran sg...@debian.org writes: This one time, at band camp, Charles Plessy said: I therefore decided to stop uploading R packages to Debian. I use some of these packages on multiple computers, and will keep on sharing my work with others on Alioth, but that is all. For any of them

Re: Decision on R datasets

2013-09-21 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Russ Allbery said: Stephen Gran sg...@debian.org writes: This one time, at band camp, Charles Plessy said: I therefore decided to stop uploading R packages to Debian. I use some of these packages on multiple computers, and will keep on sharing my work with

Re: Decision on R datasets

2013-09-21 Thread Russ Allbery
Stephen Gran sg...@debian.org writes: This one time, at band camp, Russ Allbery said: Alioth already hosts non-free packages (such as packaging repositories for Debian packaging for the non-free suite). I believe that the current understanding is that Alioth and its associated systems, such

Re: Decision on R datasets

2013-09-21 Thread Paul R. Tagliamonte
(On my phone) The real question is it less *distributable*? If its GPL and contains things *not* in preferred form, I'd say yes, that would be less distributable, since its a GPL violation and results in breech of license - which means we can't distribute. My 2 cents (as a DD), Paul On Sep 21,

Re: Decision on R datasets

2013-09-21 Thread Paul Tagliamonte
(as me, a DD, not as ftpteam) On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 04:59:55PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: Hello FTP team and everybody, Charles, In the thread that you cite, I sent another email where I asked for: - Time for a transition, - Precise criteria, Law isn't precise. I think you

Re: Decision on R datasets

2013-09-21 Thread Russ Allbery
Paul R. Tagliamonte paul...@gmail.com writes: The real question is it less *distributable*? If its GPL and contains things *not* in preferred form, I'd say yes, that would be less distributable, since its a GPL violation and results in breech of license - which means we can't distribute. I

Re: Decision on R datasets

2013-09-21 Thread Charles Plessy
Hi Paul, FTP team and everybody, first, let me underline that if the FTP team wants to disuss and amend its decision, I will be happy to participate. I think that the only good solution is to engage with the R community and make them change their practice of distributing data in binary format in

Re: Decision on R datasets

2013-09-18 Thread Dirk Eddelbuettel
Joerg Jaspert joerg at debian.org writes: it came to our attention[0] that most R packages ship data files (*.Rda, *.Rdata), which can contain a lot of different kind of data, from command line instructions, to huge data tables, or even extra modules loaded by means of install.packages()

Decision on R datasets

2013-09-17 Thread Joerg Jaspert
Hi, it came to our attention[0] that most R packages ship data files (*.Rda, *.Rdata), which can contain a lot of different kind of data, from command line instructions, to huge data tables, or even extra modules loaded by means of install.packages() function. It is common practice for R