Re: Deprecation of /etc/alternatives? (Re: Reaction to potential PGP schism)

2023-12-29 Thread Simon Richter
Hi, More metapackages will make transitions harder though, I believe we want to avoid that. In what way would transitions become harder? The alternatives system has "manual" and "automatic" modes for each group, these would probably correspond to "manually installed" and "automatically

Re: Deprecation of /etc/alternatives? (Re: Reaction to potential PGP schism)

2023-12-28 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Thu, 28 Dec 2023 at 03:01, Simon Richter wrote: > > Hi, > > On 12/28/23 04:28, Luca Boccassi wrote: > > > if you want to activate a new alternative, you have to download a new > > package that provides it anyway, so there's no difference. Subsequent > > switches will use the cached package,

Re: Deprecation of /etc/alternatives? (Re: Reaction to potential PGP schism)

2023-12-27 Thread Simon Richter
Hi, On 12/28/23 04:28, Luca Boccassi wrote: if you want to activate a new alternative, you have to download a new package that provides it anyway, so there's no difference. Subsequent switches will use the cached package, and if you have issues downloading a 3 kilobytes metapackage then just

Re: Deprecation of /etc/alternatives? (Re: Reaction to potential PGP schism)

2023-12-27 Thread Hakan Bayındır
Metapackage approach is not the same for many reasons. First, I have seen Debian installations which doesn’t have internet access, but setup with many alternatives of the same application (e.g.: Java). Moreover, apt automatically purges its cache after a successful transaction. As I said

Re: Deprecation of /etc/alternatives? (Re: Reaction to potential PGP schism)

2023-12-27 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 at 22:48, Stephan Seitz wrote: > > Am So, Dez 24, 2023 at 10:06:09 +0100 schrieb Gioele Barabucci: > >After the installation there would be no /usr/bin/gpg. Once the user > >installs, say, ggp-is-gnupg then /usr/bin/gpg will point to > >/usr/bin/gpg-gnupg. Users (and scripts)

Re: Deprecation of /etc/alternatives? (Re: Reaction to potential PGP schism)

2023-12-24 Thread Hakan Bayındır
However, shoehorning X-is-X to apt for replacing alternatives is a very unoptimal (and even backwards) approach, because it’s not only for simple applications. Some of the daily alternatives I see are: - x-www-Browser - java (and the whole toolchain) - editor - vi - pager … The list goes on and

Re: Deprecation of /etc/alternatives? (Re: Reaction to potential PGP schism)

2023-12-24 Thread Stephan Seitz
Am So, Dez 24, 2023 at 10:06:09 +0100 schrieb Gioele Barabucci: After the installation there would be no /usr/bin/gpg. Once the user installs, say, ggp-is-gnupg then /usr/bin/gpg will point to /usr/bin/gpg-gnupg. Users (and scripts) are still free to install the And if you want to change it,

Re: Deprecation of /etc/alternatives? (Re: Reaction to potential PGP schism)

2023-12-24 Thread Gioele Barabucci
On 24/12/23 08:54, Alastair McKinstry wrote: While we are on the topic of alternatives, I hope to see the maintscript-based /etc/alternatives paradigm deprecated in favor of the package-based X-is-X paradigm introduced by `python-is-python3`. They have different use-cases.  alternatives

Re: Deprecation of /etc/alternatives? (Re: Reaction to potential PGP schism)

2023-12-24 Thread Alastair McKinstry
On 23/12/2023 14:34, Gioele Barabucci wrote: On 22/12/23 00:40, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: If you're asking about using /etc/alternatives or something like that to provide some sort of generic swapping capability, or a dpkg Provides:, such that /usr/bin/gpg on some systems would point toward

Re: Deprecation of /etc/alternatives? (Re: Reaction to potential PGP schism)

2023-12-23 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Sat, 23 Dec 2023 at 18:43, Gioele Barabucci wrote: > > On 22/12/23 00:40, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: > > If you're asking about using /etc/alternatives or something like that to > > provide some sort of generic swapping capability, or a dpkg Provides:, > > such that /usr/bin/gpg on some

Re: Deprecation of /etc/alternatives? (Re: Reaction to potential PGP schism)

2023-12-23 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 17086 March 1977, Gioele Barabucci wrote: While we are on the topic of alternatives, I hope to see the maintscript-based /etc/alternatives paradigm deprecated in favor of the package-based X-is-X paradigm introduced by `python-is-python3`. In this scenario gnupg will ship gpg as

Deprecation of /etc/alternatives? (Re: Reaction to potential PGP schism)

2023-12-23 Thread Gioele Barabucci
On 22/12/23 00:40, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: If you're asking about using /etc/alternatives or something like that to provide some sort of generic swapping capability, or a dpkg Provides:, such that /usr/bin/gpg on some systems would point toward the "chameleon", i would want to see some