Re: FSG Packaging Summit in Berlin

2007-01-05 Thread Loïc Minier
On Thu, Jan 04, 2007, Jonathan Corbet wrote: Debian will get the Etch release out this year. Honest. What could possibly go wrong? Thereafter, the Debian developers will go back to arguing about firmware in the kernel. Perhaps avoiding the Debian developers would make it

Re: FSG Packaging Summit in Berlin

2007-01-05 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Thu, Jan 04, 2007 at 04:33:48PM -0700, Jonathan Corbet wrote: Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm boycotting feeding any useful information to LWN anymore until they retract their latest blanket insult of all DD's and stop being so biased. Interesting. It's usually the Fedora

Re: FSG Packaging Summit in Berlin

2007-01-05 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jan 05, Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I read it, there's an implication that all I, as a DD, am good for is failing to get Debian releases out and spending all my time in pointless discussion. I don't really feel that accurately describes me. But it accurately describes many

Re: FSG Packaging Summit in Berlin

2007-01-05 Thread Andreas Metzler
Jonathan Corbet wrote: Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm boycotting feeding any useful information to LWN anymore until they retract their latest blanket insult of all DD's and stop being so biased. [...] Honestly, I don't see what the problem is here. The text in question is

Re: FSG Packaging Summit in Berlin

2007-01-05 Thread Mario Lang
Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jonathan Corbet wrote: Debian will get the Etch release out this year. Honest. What could possibly go wrong? Thereafter, the Debian developers will go back to arguing about firmware in the kernel. Honestly, it was not my intent to insult

Re: FSG Packaging Summit in Berlin

2007-01-05 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Jan 05, 2007 at 08:28:39PM +0100, Mario Lang wrote: Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jonathan Corbet wrote: Debian will get the Etch release out this year. Honest. What could possibly go wrong? Thereafter, the Debian developers will go back to arguing about firmware

Re: FSG Packaging Summit in Berlin

2007-01-05 Thread Christian Perrier
We did not *predict* a release date, we *set* a release *target*. It's true that etch won't be released until it's ready, but treating when it's ready as the only target is a cop-out; the only way a project as large as Debian can ever *be* ready is if a sufficiently large fraction of our

Re: FSG Packaging Summit in Berlin

2007-01-04 Thread Ottavio Caruso
Kevin Mark wrote: Hi Ottavio, are you suggesting that Joey(or any DD) should have announced his/her involvment in this type of event on a Debian mailing list? Maybe the event was not open to the public? Is there a mailing list where DD's mention events they are attending on behalf of

Re: FSG Packaging Summit in Berlin

2007-01-04 Thread Ottavio Caruso
Sebastian Feltel wrote: If you are aware of currently unmentioned events, news or whatever please report [1] them. We (meaning the regular contributors to DWN) cannot read every single Debian/Linux/FOSS-related mailing list or website so we need your support. But _this_ is the point: the

Re: FSG Packaging Summit in Berlin

2007-01-04 Thread Joey Hess
Ottavio Caruso wrote: I don't think he had a moral imperative to do it, but I can't see why he or any others involved shouldn't have done it I was ill during and afterwards, and didn't have energy to mention it, although my presentation, such as it was, is up on my wiki[3]. Anyway, I was not

Re: FSG Packaging Summit in Berlin

2007-01-04 Thread Andrew Saunders
On 1/4/07, Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ottavio Caruso wrote: There is a wide spread feeling (if you read LWN.net) that a lot that happens in Debian today isn't made public. I'm boycotting feeding any useful information to LWN anymore until they retract their latest blanket insult of

Re: FSG Packaging Summit in Berlin

2007-01-04 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, 4 Jan 2007 05:47:58 -0800 (PST), Ottavio Caruso [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Sebastian Feltel wrote: If you are aware of currently unmentioned events, news or whatever please report [1] them. We (meaning the regular contributors to DWN) cannot read every single Debian/Linux/FOSS-related

Re: FSG Packaging Summit in Berlin

2007-01-04 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On to, 2007-01-04 at 15:23 +, Andrew Saunders wrote: On 1/4/07, Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm boycotting feeding any useful information to LWN anymore until they retract their latest blanket insult of all DD's and stop being so biased. YMMV. Could you pretty please elaborate

Re: FSG Packaging Summit in Berlin

2007-01-04 Thread Jonathan Corbet
Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm boycotting feeding any useful information to LWN anymore until they retract their latest blanket insult of all DD's and stop being so biased. Interesting. It's usually the Fedora folks who complain about bias at LWN. Honestly, I don't see what the

Re: FSG Packaging Summit in Berlin

2007-01-04 Thread Joey Hess
Jonathan Corbet wrote: Debian will get the Etch release out this year. Honest. What could possibly go wrong? Thereafter, the Debian developers will go back to arguing about firmware in the kernel. Honestly, it was not my intent to insult anybody. I'm sorry if I did. But,

FSG Packaging Summit in Berlin

2007-01-03 Thread Ottavio Caruso
http://www.freestandards.org/en/LSB_face-to-face_%28December_2006%29 Quote:The goal of the Summit is to bring together the key people in the Linux packaging world and ISVs to discuss the future of Linux packaging. Topics will include RPM, the role of other packaging technologies (dpkg, APT, yum,

Re: FSG Packaging Summit in Berlin

2007-01-03 Thread Daniel Baumann
Ottavio Caruso wrote: Why do we [users] have to learn of these things from external sources? debian is volunteer project[0]. maybe you [user] should support debian when it does not fulfil your expectations. if you can not contribute[1] personally, also donations[2] are welcome. [0]

Re: FSG Packaging Summit in Berlin

2007-01-03 Thread Kevin Mark
On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 06:35:02AM -0800, Ottavio Caruso wrote: http://www.freestandards.org/en/LSB_face-to-face_%28December_2006%29 Quote:The goal of the Summit is to bring together the key people in the Linux packaging world and ISVs to discuss the future of Linux packaging. Topics will

Re: FSG Packaging Summit in Berlin

2007-01-03 Thread Sebastian Feltel
Hello, Ottavio Caruso schrieb am 03.01.2007 15:35: http://www.freestandards.org/en/LSB_face-to-face_%28December_2006%29 Quote:The goal of the Summit is to bring together the key people in the Linux packaging world and ISVs to discuss the future of Linux packaging. Topics will include RPM,