On Fri, 12 Apr 2002 10:15:05 +0100, Carlos Sousa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
testing is, in my opinion, the feature that sets Debian apart from all
other Linux distributions. It's as if woody is released every day.
If we had a security team working for testing, testing would be the
distribution of
On Sat, Apr 13, 2002 at 10:57:57AM +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
On Fri, 12 Apr 2002 10:15:05 +0100, Carlos Sousa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
testing is, in my opinion, the feature that sets Debian apart from all
other Linux distributions. It's as if woody is released every day.
If we had a
Good day everyone,
thank you for a lot of input.
As a fair number of you have pointed out, you are all quite busy with
getting Woody out the door.
I aggree that is important, and that the release process can not be
changed now right in the middle of Woody-work.
Priority right now is fixing
On 11 Apr 2002 21:27:23 -0400
Thomas Hood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think testing is an excellent thing to have, since it
provides a semi-stable proto-release. Unfortunately it is
true that the existence of testing hasn't shortened the
release cycle.
testing is, in my opinion, the feature
Johnny Ernst Nielsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] cum veritate scripsit:
While you guys get Woody ready, I will try to find out more about the
current release procedure and the past of Debian development.
Hopefully I will see you all again May 2Nd.
Or better, start help fixing bugs now.
You've
NOTE!
I am *not* talking about release dates.
(Anyone who starts talking release dates from hereon will be taken
out back and given an ice cold shower-down ;o))
Through time many people have criticised Stable Debian for having an
extremely slow release cycle, which causes an outdated
Johnny Ernst Nielsen wrote:
Debian's current problem with old packages can be seen by the fact
that a number of vendors have reportedly dumped the current Stable
release in favor of the Testing distribution some time ago.
That can only mean that currentness of content has become more
On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 05:20:27PM +0200, Johnny Ernst Nielsen wrote:
At the current pace 3.0 may be out right around May 1St 2002.
At that time it will have been more than 1 year and 6 months since
the previous point release, which by then contains packages more than
1 year and 6 months
On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 05:20:27PM +0200, Johnny Ernst Nielsen wrote:
The main proposal is to introduce a fixed short Testing development
period into the development cycle like this:
1. Feed Unstable packages to Testing for a fixed short period of time.
2. Freeze, bugfix, release.
Thank you Joey for being so obliging to a constructive proposal, and
thank you for your polite way of replying to my proposal.
Do you think you could put your 6 year old attitude aside for a few
moments and take this as a contructive proposal as other normal
grownups would do?
If you think I
On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 11:13:49PM +0200, Johnny Ernst Nielsen wrote:
Thank you Joey for being so obliging to a constructive proposal, and
thank you for your polite way of replying to my proposal.
Do you think you could put your 6 year old attitude aside for a few
moments and take this as
Good day Torsten,
thank you for your kind answer.
The main proposal is to introduce a fixed short Testing
development period into the development cycle like this:
1. Feed Unstable packages to Testing for a fixed short period of
time. 2. Freeze, bugfix, release.
Repeat.
This was the
Good day Matt,
thank you for your kind answer.
At the current pace 3.0 may be out right around May 1St 2002.
At that time it will have been more than 1 year and 6 months
since the previous point release, which by then contains packages
more than 1 year and 6 months old.
Er, it will
On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 11:44:36PM +0200, Rune B. Broberg wrote:
On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 11:13:49PM +0200, Johnny Ernst Nielsen wrote:
Thank you Joey for being so obliging to a constructive proposal, and
thank you for your polite way of replying to my proposal.
Do you think you could
On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 11:13:49PM +0200, Johnny Ernst Nielsen wrote:
Thank you Joey for being so obliging to a constructive proposal, and
thank you for your polite way of replying to my proposal.
Do you think you could put your 6 year old attitude aside for a few
moments and take this as
On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 11:46:55PM +0200, Johnny Ernst Nielsen wrote:
I am not a developer, and I am not suited for code development.
But I would like to spend untill 1St of May collecting additional
information about the release procedures.
Currently that is black magic, mostly the release
Johnny Ernst Nielsen wrote:
Do you think you could put your 6 year old attitude aside for a few
moments and take this as a contructive proposal as other normal
grownups would do?
Having discussed all this before in my 6 year old tenure with Debian,
no, I really don't have time to rehash it
On Apr 11, Johnny Ernst Nielsen wrote:
To make things worse, 3.0 contents will at the time of release
already be about 6 months out of date.
Here's a challenge for you: identify the top date in the changelog for
the current version of every package in testing (3.0). I doubt
there's a single
Johnny Ernst Nielsen: Don't worry about flames launched by
cranky developers who didn't get what they wanted for their
birthdays. Many of us haven't read _every_ posting on _every_
debian list for the past six years and may therefore once in
a while bring up some issue that has been discussed
On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 09:27:23PM -0400, Thomas Hood wrote:
birthdays. Many of us haven't read _every_ posting on _every_
debian list for the past six years and may therefore once in
a while bring up some issue that has been discussed previously.
This isn't exactly every debian list for the
On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 09:27:23PM -0400, Thomas Hood wrote:
Torsten Landschoff replied that This was the whole idea of
testing. Experience shows it does not work.
I think testing is an excellent thing to have, since it
provides a semi-stable proto-release. Unfortunately it is
true that
On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 08:39:54PM -0500, David Starner [EMAIL PROTECTED] was
heard to say:
On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 09:27:23PM -0400, Thomas Hood wrote:
birthdays. Many of us haven't read _every_ posting on _every_
debian list for the past six years and may therefore once in
a while bring
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