Re: Fwd: Re: Why no Opera?

2007-09-30 Thread atomo64+debian
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: For that, you will have to ask the ftp masters and the security team. I am not in a position to speak to their official stance in terms of what requirements they might have for software like opera to be in Debian and the

Re: Fwd: Re: Why no Opera?

2007-09-30 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Sun, Sep 30, 2007 at 01:55:05PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: For that, you will have to ask the ftp masters and the security team. I am not in a position to speak to their official stance in terms of what requirements they might have for software like opera

Re: Fwd: Re: Why no Opera?

2007-09-09 Thread Magnus Holmgren
On Sunday 09 September 2007 19:19, David Given wrote: Ben Finney wrote: [...] It would behoove you to at least put significant effort into what everyone here agrees would be the best way to get Opera working well with Debian and other free software operating systems. I'd take issue with

Re: Fwd: Re: Why no Opera?

2007-09-08 Thread Ben Finney
Edward Welbourne [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bernd: if opera would be come open-source, I'd be willing to co-maintain and check packages - it would be worth the work. But I'm not willing to spend my free time on closed source if there's no really good reason to do so. I'm afraid this

Re: Fwd: Re: Why no Opera?

2007-09-07 Thread Steffen Moeller
On Friday 07 September 2007 11:18:18 Edward Welbourne wrote: Can we still hope that there are requests from the Opera developers that a certain set of LGPL libraries are out there that should be distributed with Debian (which they are currently not or in a wrong version or missing patches)

Re: Fwd: Re: Why no Opera?

2007-09-07 Thread Edward Welbourne
Can we still hope that there are requests from the Opera developers that a certain set of LGPL libraries are out there that should be distributed with Debian (which they are currently not or in a wrong version or missing patches) that would help to further reduce the footprint of the

Re: Fwd: Re: Why no Opera?

2007-09-07 Thread Edward Welbourne
One thing which would help is if you made use of the Bugs: filed in debian/control. That is you do something like this: Bugs: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ah ! OK, thanks for that ... packaging script revised :-) This allows people to send bug reports to you directly using the reportbug

Re: Fwd: Re: Why no Opera?

2007-09-07 Thread Lionel Elie Mamane
On Fri, Sep 07, 2007 at 10:54:06AM +0200, Edward Welbourne wrote: This allows people to send bug reports to you directly using the reportbug tool, I'd sort of assumed Maintainer was used for that ! It is, but not in a way that is useful to you, only useful for packages in Debian proper (or

Re: Fwd: Re: Why no Opera?

2007-09-07 Thread Steffen Moeller
On Friday 07 September 2007 08:10:47 Lionel Elie Mamane wrote: On Fri, Sep 07, 2007 at 12:11:24AM +0200, Edward Welbourne wrote: Lionel Mamane: [...] This was written under the assumption that you statically-linked to LGPL libraries, not only Qt. As you now inform me this is not the case, my

Re: Fwd: Re: Why no Opera?

2007-09-07 Thread Lionel Elie Mamane
On Fri, Sep 07, 2007 at 12:11:24AM +0200, Edward Welbourne wrote: Lionel Mamane: Roberto Sánchez: One possible solution would be for Opera to produce a source package of unlinked binary object files. This would allow relinking against new versions of the libraries (at least in most cases)

Re: Fwd: Re: Why no Opera?

2007-09-07 Thread Edward Welbourne
I am not seeking for a violation of some license. I didn't think you were. It is missed opportunities for optimisation that I am after. That's what I understood you to mean. You have the source, you seek for them :o) I really don't think there's anything that fits the bill. Please consider

Re: Fwd: Re: Why no Opera?

2007-09-06 Thread Edward Welbourne
you can at least use linda and lintian (-iI) to check your packages, that should help a lot. Indeed - I've been using lintian, and linda's on my set of things to try during my next binge of package work. Eddy. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of

Re: Fwd: Re: Why no Opera?

2007-09-06 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Thu, Sep 06, 2007 at 10:21:14AM +0200, Edward Welbourne wrote: you can at least use linda and lintian (-iI) to check your packages, that should help a lot. Indeed - I've been using lintian, and linda's on my set of things to try during my next binge of package work. How about amd64

Re: Fwd: Re: Why no Opera?

2007-09-06 Thread Lionel Elie Mamane
(Explicitly CCing Edward in the assumption he's not subscribed to this list. The message I'm answering to is at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2007/09/msg00145.html . I'd like to be CCed an followups, although subscribed.) On Wed, Sep 05, 2007 at 09:38:14AM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:

Re: Fwd: Re: Why no Opera?

2007-09-06 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Thu, Sep 06, 2007 at 02:27:25PM +0200, Lionel Elie Mamane wrote: (Explicitly CCing Edward in the assumption he's not subscribed to this list. The message I'm answering to is at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2007/09/msg00145.html . I'd like to be CCed an followups, although

Re: Fwd: Re: Why no Opera?

2007-09-06 Thread Edward Welbourne
Lionel: (Explicitly CCing Edward in the assumption he's not subscribed to this list. Thank you - I am, indeed, not subscribed. It would actually be best if you could address me as [EMAIL PROTECTED], so that various of my colleagues see the discussion, too. ... The message I'm answering to is

Re: Fwd: Re: Why no Opera?

2007-09-06 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Fri, Sep 07, 2007 at 12:11:24AM +0200, Edward Welbourne wrote: These are roughly the arguments I've used in the past to avoid pressure to simplify our packaging by changing to static linking (which would save us having to address issues of compatibility with diverse versions of

Re: Fwd: Re: Why no Opera?

2007-09-05 Thread Edward Welbourne
Hi debian-devel, The web of trust gave me Mr Johan Herland as the only member of strong set and I took the freedom to place him on the CC line. Johan forwarded you to me. For reference, dpkg -s, or the package's control file, would have told you: Maintainer: Opera Packaging Team [EMAIL

Re: Fwd: Re: Why no Opera?

2007-09-05 Thread Steffen Moeller
Dear Edward, many thanks for joining in. On Wednesday 05 September 2007 13:23:46 Edward Welbourne wrote: Opera could offer an apt repository for the .deb We already do :-) Here's the line from my /etc/apt/sources.list: deb http://deb.opera.com/opera/ testing non-free I was pointed to it

Re: Fwd: Re: Why no Opera?

2007-09-05 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Wed, Sep 05, 2007 at 03:16:07PM +0200, Steffen Moeller wrote: On Wednesday 05 September 2007 13:23:46 Edward Welbourne wrote: I'm confused. Pierre appears to be saying static is bad, Bruce closed must be static. We have both static and shared packages, so you can take your pick,

Re: Fwd: Re: Why no Opera?

2007-09-05 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
Hi, So, the Debian community would have someone (and sadly only one) who can inspect your source and fix issues that arise. The benefit I see for Opera is a further decreased footprint. if opera would be come open-source, I'd be willing to co-maintain and check packages - it would be

Re: Fwd: Re: Why no Opera?

2007-09-05 Thread Hendrik Sattler
Zitat von Roberto C. Sánchez [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Dynamic linking is what the security team likes since it means that you only update the code once for the whole system. However, in the event that there is an update which makes the library non-binary compatible, then there is another problem.

Re: Fwd: Re: Why no Opera?

2007-09-05 Thread Edward Welbourne
Steffen: So, the Debian community would have someone (and sadly only one) who can inspect your source and fix issues that arise. The benefit I see for Opera is a further decreased footprint. Bernd: if opera would be come open-source, I'd be willing to co-maintain and check packages - it

Re: Fwd: Re: Why no Opera?

2007-09-05 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Wed, Sep 05, 2007 at 04:43:09PM +0200, Hendrik Sattler wrote: Zitat von Roberto C. Sánchez [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Dynamic linking is what the security team likes since it means that you only update the code once for the whole system. However, in the event that there is an update which makes

Re: Fwd: Re: Why no Opera?

2007-09-05 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
Hi, That's one of the (too many) things I've got on my todo list - get myself trained as a proper Debian developer. For the moment, I just have some scripts (mostly inherited, I've only had time to clean them up so far) that do the packaging mostly right; the scripts know more about Debian