Re: Icons and instructions for the FreeDesktop menu.

2007-01-22 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Mon, Jan 22, 2007 at 08:02:32AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava a écrit : > > Menu files have had translations since before there were any > .desktop files. Hi Manoj, For sure, the folders of the Debian menu system are translated. But I checked in my fr_FR environment, the entries are not. F

Re: Icons and instructions for the FreeDesktop menu.

2007-01-22 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 07:28:40 +0100 (CET), Andreas Tille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Sun, 21 Jan 2007, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> Not all window managers support .desktop. Are you volunteering to >> hack on them to make them support .desktop natively? > I guess you missed the point Charles wa

Re: Icons and instructions for the FreeDesktop menu.

2007-01-22 Thread Bruce Sass
On Sun January 21 2007 16:29, Charles Plessy wrote: > Le Sun, Jan 21, 2007 at 06:04:09AM -0700, Bruce Sass a écrit : > > I also agree that automatic down-converting would be good, but > > think that automatic generation of menus from pieces at package > > install time would be better. Iow, build a

Re: Icons and instructions for the FreeDesktop menu.

2007-01-21 Thread Andreas Tille
On Sun, 21 Jan 2007, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Not all window managers support .desktop. Are you volunteering to hack on them to make them support .desktop natively? I guess you missed the point Charles wanted to propose: It sounds reasonable to provide .desktop files and create menu file

Re: Icons and instructions for the FreeDesktop menu.

2007-01-21 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 08:29:48 +0900, Charles Plessy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Le Sun, Jan 21, 2007 at 06:04:09AM -0700, Bruce Sass a écrit : >> >> I also agree that automatic down-converting would be good, but >> think that automatic generation of menus from pieces at package >> install time wo

Re: Icons and instructions for the FreeDesktop menu.

2007-01-21 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Sun, Jan 21, 2007 at 06:04:09AM -0700, Bruce Sass a écrit : > > I also agree that automatic down-converting would be good, but think > that automatic generation of menus from pieces at package install time > would be better. Iow, build a .menu.common for every interactive > program and use .

Re: Icons and instructions for the FreeDesktop menu.

2007-01-21 Thread Loïc Minier
On Sun, Jan 21, 2007, Steve Langasek wrote: >you can > probably see that converting, say, a 64x64 png to a 32x32 xpm is going to > give inferior results than if an icon is provided that was created for the > target resolution; so havin

Re: Icons and instructions for the FreeDesktop menu.

2007-01-21 Thread Bruce Sass
On Sun January 21 2007 02:24, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Wed, Jan 17, 2007 at 09:22:57AM +0100, Loïc Minier wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 17, 2007, Charles Plessy wrote: > > > am I wrong or one can have foo.png in foo.desktop, and foo.xpm in > > > foo.menu? If upstream does not provide an xpm icon, the "c

Re: Icons and instructions for the FreeDesktop menu.

2007-01-21 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Jan 17, 2007 at 09:22:57AM +0100, Loïc Minier wrote: > On Wed, Jan 17, 2007, Charles Plessy wrote: > > am I wrong or one can have foo.png in foo.desktop, and foo.xpm in > > foo.menu? If upstream does not provide an xpm icon, the "convert" > > command of the imagemagick package can easily cr

Re: Icons and instructions for the FreeDesktop menu.

2007-01-18 Thread Yavor Doganov
Jeff Carr wrote: > On 01/17/07 00:22, Loïc Minier wrote: > > > The Debian menu system is completely useless to me, and I expect to > > most GNOME and KDE users. > > You've hit the nail on the head. That whole thing came about from > earlier times. I wish you every luck in purging it from existenc

Re: Icons and instructions for the FreeDesktop menu.

2007-01-17 Thread Andreas Tille
On Wed, 17 Jan 2007, Jeff Carr wrote: You've hit the nail on the head. That whole thing came about from earlier times. I wish you every luck in purging it from existence. Uhm - sometimes things from earlier times are not that bad. I hope that you will not send an assassin to the menu maintain

Re: Icons and instructions for the FreeDesktop menu.

2007-01-17 Thread David Nusinow
On Wed, Jan 17, 2007 at 09:47:16AM +, Ross Burton wrote: > On Wed, 2007-01-17 at 00:42 -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > > Supposedly a gnome program will run under KDE. Right? > > > > How will a KDE user find it, if not through the Debian menu system? > > GNOME and KDE use the same menu s

Re: Icons and instructions for the FreeDesktop menu.

2007-01-17 Thread Jon Dowland
On Wed, Jan 17, 2007 at 02:08:52PM -0800, Jeff Carr wrote: > On 01/17/07 00:22, Lo?c Minier wrote: > > > The Debian menu system is completely useless to me, and > > I expect to most GNOME and KDE users. > > You've hit the nail on the head. That whole thing came > about from earlier times. I wish

Re: Icons and instructions for the FreeDesktop menu.

2007-01-17 Thread Jeff Carr
On 01/17/07 00:22, Loïc Minier wrote: > The Debian menu system is completely useless to me, and I expect to > most GNOME and KDE users. You've hit the nail on the head. That whole thing came about from earlier times. I wish you every luck in purging it from existence. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email

Re: Icons and instructions for the FreeDesktop menu.

2007-01-17 Thread Michael Biebl
Ross Burton wrote: > On Wed, 2007-01-17 at 00:42 -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: >> Supposedly a gnome program will run under KDE. Right? >> >> How will a KDE user find it, if not through the Debian menu system? > > GNOME and KDE use the same menu system, so unless a desktop file is > marked On

Re: Icons and instructions for the FreeDesktop menu.

2007-01-17 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
On Wed, 2007-01-17 at 10:37 +0100, Loïc Minier wrote: > On Wed, Jan 17, 2007, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > > Unless I'm confused, this is what makefiles are for. How much trouble > > is it to set it up, which must only be done once? > > Why convert it at build time? Can't update-menus do it onl

Re: Icons and instructions for the FreeDesktop menu.

2007-01-17 Thread Ross Burton
On Wed, 2007-01-17 at 00:42 -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > Supposedly a gnome program will run under KDE. Right? > > How will a KDE user find it, if not through the Debian menu system? GNOME and KDE use the same menu system, so unless a desktop file is marked OnlyShowIn=GNOME, it will appea

Re: Icons and instructions for the FreeDesktop menu.

2007-01-17 Thread Loïc Minier
On Wed, Jan 17, 2007, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > Unless I'm confused, this is what makefiles are for. How much trouble > is it to set it up, which must only be done once? Why convert it at build time? Can't update-menus do it only when it's needed (i.e. the menu display only supports XPM)?

Re: Icons and instructions for the FreeDesktop menu.

2007-01-17 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
On Wed, 2007-01-17 at 09:22 +0100, Loïc Minier wrote: > On Wed, Jan 17, 2007, Charles Plessy wrote: > > am I wrong or one can have foo.png in foo.desktop, and foo.xpm in > > foo.menu? If upstream does not provide an xpm icon, the "convert" > > command of the imagemagick package can easily create on

Re: Icons and instructions for the FreeDesktop menu.

2007-01-17 Thread Loïc Minier
On Wed, Jan 17, 2007, Charles Plessy wrote: > am I wrong or one can have foo.png in foo.desktop, and foo.xpm in > foo.menu? If upstream does not provide an xpm icon, the "convert" > command of the imagemagick package can easily create one at build time. My point is that I shouldn't have to mainta

Icons and instructions for the FreeDesktop menu.

2007-01-16 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Tue, Jan 16, 2007 at 09:43:43PM +0100, Loïc Minier a écrit : > > Why reinvent the wheel in the Debian menu system? Why would I want to > convert nicely looking upstream icons to an old format which can only > look uglier? All desktop environments support pngs, and even svgs. Hi all, am I