Re: Intent to mass-file bugs: FDL/incorrect copyright files

2004-11-18 Thread Romain Francoise
Brian Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: AFAIK, ftp-masters only reject a package if inclusion and distribution in Debian would be illegal. This is not the case with the GFDL. I think in a typical case, the decision is up to the package maintainer, and if the maintainer doesn't agree, the

Intent to mass-file bugs: FDL/incorrect copyright files

2004-11-17 Thread Brian M. Carlson
This is an intent to mass-file bugs as required per custom. Bugs will be filed: 1) on packages that include GNU Free Documentation Licensed-material; 2) on packages in 1) that do not include the copyright or license of the material in their copyright files; 3) at serious severity (DP sec.

Re: Intent to mass-file bugs: FDL/incorrect copyright files

2004-11-17 Thread Steve Kemp
On Wed, Nov 17, 2004 at 06:49:21PM +, Brian M. Carlson wrote: This is an intent to mass-file bugs as required per custom. Bugs will be filed: 1) on packages that include GNU Free Documentation Licensed-material; 2) on packages in 1) that do not include the copyright or license of

Re: Intent to mass-file bugs: FDL/incorrect copyright files

2004-11-17 Thread Brian M. Carlson
Steve Kemp [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, Nov 17, 2004 at 06:49:21PM +, Brian M. Carlson wrote: This is an intent to mass-file bugs as required per custom. Bugs will be filed: 1) on packages that include GNU Free Documentation Licensed-material; 2) on packages in 1) that do not

Re: Intent to mass-file bugs: FDL/incorrect copyright files

2004-11-17 Thread Colin Watson
On Wed, Nov 17, 2004 at 06:49:21PM +, Brian M. Carlson wrote: Bugs will be filed: 1) on packages that include GNU Free Documentation Licensed-material; I recommend not filing bugs on documentation until after sarge. The project agreed by vote that it was not to be considered

Re: Intent to mass-file bugs: FDL/incorrect copyright files

2004-11-17 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Nov 17, Brian M. Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In case you are wondering about bugs in case 1), please note that the GNU Free Documentation License is non-free in all its forms, according to the informal survey taken by Branden Robinson of the debian-legal denizens and by my

Re: Intent to mass-file bugs: FDL/incorrect copyright files

2004-11-17 Thread Graham Wilson
On Wed, Nov 17, 2004 at 07:31:51PM +, Colin Watson wrote: On Wed, Nov 17, 2004 at 06:49:21PM +, Brian M. Carlson wrote: Two bugs will be filed on packages that meet criteria in both 1) and 2). If the release managers would like, I will be happy to auto-tag the bugs in 1)

Re: Intent to mass-file bugs: FDL/incorrect copyright files

2004-11-17 Thread Brian Nelson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian M. Carlson) writes: This is an intent to mass-file bugs as required per custom. Bugs will be filed: 1) on packages that include GNU Free Documentation Licensed-material; 2) on packages in 1) that do not include the copyright or license of the material in

Re: Intent to mass-file bugs: FDL/incorrect copyright files

2004-11-17 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Nov 17, Brian Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I object. Until there is universal consensus (either through a vote, leader action, whatever) that GFDL material must be purged from main, these bugs are wishlist at best. debian-legal consensus alone is not grounds for removal. Agreed. --

Re: Intent to mass-file bugs: FDL/incorrect copyright files

2004-11-17 Thread Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo
El mi, 17-11-2004 a las 19:27 +, Brian M. Carlson escribi: [...] Without wishing to start/take part in a huge flamewar didn't we have a vote and agree to leave such documentation issues until after Sarge's release? Here's the result I'm thinking of:

Re: Intent to mass-file bugs: FDL/incorrect copyright files

2004-11-17 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Nov 17, Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And documentation is not software. Since the editorial changes (LOL) general resolution, for Debian everything is software. Welcome to the wonderful world the DFSG-revisionist have made for all of us. -- ciao, | Marco | [9258

Re: Intent to mass-file bugs: FDL/incorrect copyright files

2004-11-17 Thread Brian M. Carlson
Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, Nov 17, 2004 at 06:49:21PM +, Brian M. Carlson wrote: Bugs will be filed: 1) on packages that include GNU Free Documentation Licensed-material; I recommend not filing bugs on documentation until after sarge. The project agreed by vote

Re: Intent to mass-file bugs: FDL/incorrect copyright files

2004-11-17 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Nov 17, Brian M. Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is of course understood. But one could always upload to unstable, AIUI. I am trying to *improve* the quality of the distribution, not decrease it. The sentence was meant to stress to I'd say that it's not obvious at all how removing

Re: Intent to mass-file bugs: FDL/incorrect copyright files

2004-11-17 Thread Brian M. Carlson
Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: El mi, 17-11-2004 a las 19:27 +, Brian M. Carlson escribi: [...] Without wishing to start/take part in a huge flamewar didn't we have a vote and agree to leave such documentation issues until after Sarge's release? Here's

Re: Intent to mass-file bugs: FDL/incorrect copyright files

2004-11-17 Thread Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo
El mi, 17-11-2004 a las 23:26 +0100, Marco d'Itri escribi: On Nov 17, Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And documentation is not software. Since the editorial changes (LOL) general resolution, for Debian everything is software. Welcome to the wonderful world the

Re: Intent to mass-file bugs: FDL/incorrect copyright files

2004-11-17 Thread Brian M. Carlson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco d'Itri) writes: On Nov 17, Brian M. Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is of course understood. But one could always upload to unstable, AIUI. I am trying to *improve* the quality of the distribution, not decrease it. The sentence was meant to stress to I'd

Re: Intent to mass-file bugs: FDL/incorrect copyright files

2004-11-17 Thread Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo
El mi, 17-11-2004 a las 22:44 +, Brian M. Carlson escribi: Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: El mi, 17-11-2004 a las 19:27 +, Brian M. Carlson escribi: [...] Without wishing to start/take part in a huge flamewar didn't we have a vote and agree to leave

Re: Intent to mass-file bugs: FDL/incorrect copyright files

2004-11-17 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 18:49:21 +, Brian M Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: This is an intent to mass-file bugs as required per custom. Bugs will be filed: And shall be promptly closed on the packages singled out below. gnus make message pgg 1) on packages that include GNU

Re: Intent to mass-file bugs: FDL/incorrect copyright files

2004-11-17 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 23:26:29 +0100, Marco d'Itri [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Nov 17, Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And documentation is not software. Since the editorial changes (LOL) general resolution, for Debian everything is software. Welcome to the wonderful world the

Re: Intent to mass-file bugs: FDL/incorrect copyright files

2004-11-17 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 23:20:42 +0100, Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: El mié, 17-11-2004 a las 19:27 +, Brian M. Carlson escribió: [...] Without wishing to start/take part in a huge flamewar didn't we have a vote and agree to leave such documentation issues until

Re: Intent to mass-file bugs: FDL/incorrect copyright files

2004-11-17 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:44:59 +, Brian M Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: El mié, 17-11-2004 a las 19:27 +, Brian M. Carlson escribió: [...] Without wishing to start/take part in a huge flamewar didn't we have a vote and

Re: Intent to mass-file bugs: FDL/incorrect copyright files

2004-11-17 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Nov 17, Brian M. Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd say that it's not obvious at all how removing crucial documentation because some people do not like its license will help the distribution and/or the cause of free software. I don't like a lot of licenses, specifically those that are

Re: Intent to mass-file bugs: FDL/incorrect copyright files

2004-11-17 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Nov 18, Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since the editorial changes (LOL) general resolution, for Debian everything is software. Welcome to the wonderful world the DFSG-revisionist have made for all of us. You are the one revising history. When we voted on the SC, it

Re: Intent to mass-file bugs: FDL/incorrect copyright files

2004-11-17 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian M. Carlson) writes: 1) on packages that include GNU Free Documentation Licensed-material; These are currently not bugs (but will be as soon as sarge is released and the Social Contract upgrade goes into effect); and indeed, I think packages with GFDL material already

Re: Intent to mass-file bugs: FDL/incorrect copyright files

2004-11-17 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian M. Carlson) writes: The sentence was meant to stress to certain maintainers (who shall remain nameless) that like to ignore debian-legal or licensing issues that I would that pursue these bugs as vigorously as any others and that I expected them to be fixed, time and

Re: Intent to mass-file bugs: FDL/incorrect copyright files

2004-11-17 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco d'Itri) writes: On Nov 17, Brian M. Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In case you are wondering about bugs in case 1), please note that the GNU Free Documentation License is non-free in all its forms, according to the informal survey taken by Branden Robinson of

Re: Intent to mass-file bugs: FDL/incorrect copyright files

2004-11-17 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Brian Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I object. Until there is universal consensus (either through a vote, leader action, whatever) that GFDL material must be purged from main, these bugs are wishlist at best. Huh? Since when? Ultimately, the judge of licenses is the ftp-master and maybe

Re: Intent to mass-file bugs: FDL/incorrect copyright files

2004-11-17 Thread Brian M. Carlson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco d'Itri) writes: On Nov 17, Brian M. Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd say that it's not obvious at all how removing crucial documentation because some people do not like its license will help the distribution and/or the cause of free software. I don't like a

Re: Intent to mass-file bugs: FDL/incorrect copyright files

2004-11-17 Thread Brian M. Carlson
Thomas Bushnell BSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian M. Carlson) writes: 1) on packages that include GNU Free Documentation Licensed-material; These are currently not bugs (but will be as soon as sarge is released and the Social Contract upgrade goes into effect); and

Re: Intent to mass-file bugs: FDL/incorrect copyright files

2004-11-17 Thread Brian Nelson
On Thu, Nov 18, 2004 at 01:42:57AM +, Brian M. Carlson wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco d'Itri) writes: On Nov 17, Brian M. Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd say that it's not obvious at all how removing crucial documentation because some people do not like its license will help

Re: Intent to mass-file bugs: FDL/incorrect copyright files

2004-11-17 Thread Graham Wilson
On Thu, Nov 18, 2004 at 12:10:13AM +0100, Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo wrote: If it is a program, it is software. And so my Python code that includes docstrings is what? What are PostScript files? The line is not as easy to draw as you might think. -- gram

Re: Intent to mass-file bugs: FDL/incorrect copyright files

2004-11-17 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:24:11 -0600, Graham Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Thu, Nov 18, 2004 at 12:10:13AM +0100, Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo wrote: If it is a program, it is software. And so my Python code that includes docstrings is what? Software. What are PostScript files?

Re: Intent to mass-file bugs: FDL/incorrect copyright files

2004-11-17 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 02:05:45 +0100, Marco d'Itri [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Nov 18, Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since the editorial changes (LOL) general resolution, for Debian everything is software. Welcome to the wonderful world the DFSG-revisionist have made for all of

Re: Intent to mass-file bugs: FDL/incorrect copyright files

2004-11-17 Thread Graham Wilson
On Wed, Nov 17, 2004 at 09:37:01PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:24:11 -0600, Graham Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: The line is not as easy to draw as you might think. On the contrary, the line is not so arcane. Computer related stuff is either a) software,