Re: Jessie without systemd as PID 1?

2014-09-05 Thread Marc Haber
On Fri, 5 Sep 2014 07:27:52 +0200, Philipp Kern pk...@debian.org wrote: On Thu, Sep 04, 2014 at 08:09:03AM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: One example of such a Debianism is the support of the keyscript= option in /etc/crypttab that is not available on Debian systems running systemd with no viable

Re: Jessie without systemd as PID 1?

2014-09-05 Thread Noel Torres
On Wednesday, 3 de September de 2014 16:21:31 Svante Signell escribió: [...] should be allowed, and I'm trying to find out how many of debian users and developers are interested in working together with me on such a solution. Best would be to have an option in the installer (hidden by [...] I

Re: Jessie without systemd as PID 1?

2014-09-04 Thread Marc Haber
On Thu, 4 Sep 2014 01:07:20 +0200, m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) wrote: On Sep 03, Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org wrote: Please stop using graphs showing how various teams have forced systemd onto users' systems as if it is somehow a democratic endorsement of the outcome. I am not sure about

Re: Jessie without systemd as PID 1?

2014-09-04 Thread Philipp Kern
On Thu, Sep 04, 2014 at 08:09:03AM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: One example of such a Debianism is the support of the keyscript= option in /etc/crypttab that is not available on Debian systems running systemd with no viable alternatives available. And again, what you are refering to is keyscript=

Re: Jessie without systemd as PID 1?

2014-09-03 Thread Svante Signell
On Tue, 2014-09-02 at 16:03 +0200, Thorsten Glaser wrote: Svante Signell dixit: It would be nice to have the same init system:sysv-core, as well as the same default desktop:mate-desktop-environment (including accessibility enhancements), for all arches: Linux, kFreeBSD and Hurd :-) If

Re: Jessie without systemd as PID 1?

2014-09-03 Thread Rens Houben
In other news for Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 11:11:30AM +0200, Svante Signell has been seen typing: Some food for thought about systemd: ... I thought we'd all agreed to stop bringing up tired arguments that nobody but the systemd MUST DIE crowd really wants to hear anymore. You might have seen

Re: Jessie without systemd as PID 1?

2014-09-03 Thread Martinx - ジェームズ
Hi! I'm wondering here... Lets suppose I NEED to use sysvinit, with Debian 8. If so, can I just run: `apt-get install sysvinit-core` to get rid of systemd as my INIT? If yes, will this be support until... Let's say, Debian kFreeBSD still remains around...? Also, why not have a system like

Re: Jessie without systemd as PID 1?

2014-09-03 Thread Simon McVittie
I'm sure we've been over this many times already. On 03/09/14 13:24, Martinx - ジェームズ wrote: If so, can I just run: `apt-get install sysvinit-core` to get rid of systemd as my INIT? Yes. If yes, will this be support until... Let's say, Debian kFreeBSD still remains around...? That's up to

Re: Jessie without systemd as PID 1?

2014-09-03 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi Svante, On Mittwoch, 3. September 2014, Svante Signell wrote: Some food for thought about systemd: You might have seen this http://ewontfix.com/14 but have you seen this http://ewontfix.com/15 or this http://boycottsystemd.org/ Having a systemd-free option for Debian Jessie is becoming

Re: Jessie without systemd as PID 1?

2014-09-03 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Sep 03, Svante Signell svante.sign...@gmail.com wrote: Having a systemd-free option for Debian Jessie is becoming more and more important. Otherwise (Debian) users might do as recommended in the third link: Boycott distros that use systemd. And I strongly encourage them to do this: we aim

Re: Jessie without systemd as PID 1?

2014-09-03 Thread Svante Signell
On Wed, 2014-09-03 at 10:45 -0400, Holger Levsen wrote: Hi Svante, On Mittwoch, 3. September 2014, Svante Signell wrote: Some food for thought about systemd: You might have seen this http://ewontfix.com/14 but have you seen this http://ewontfix.com/15 or this http://boycottsystemd.org/

Re: Jessie without systemd as PID 1?

2014-09-03 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 05:11:43PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: On Sep 03, Svante Signell svante.sign...@gmail.com wrote: Having a systemd-free option for Debian Jessie is becoming more and more important. Otherwise (Debian) users might do as recommended in the third link: Boycott distros

Re: Jessie without systemd as PID 1?

2014-09-03 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Sep 03, Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org wrote: https://qa.debian.org/popcon-graph.php?packages=systemd-sysv+upstart+openrc+sysvinit-core+systemd-shimshow_installed=onwant_legend=onwant_ticks=onfrom_date=2014-01-01to_date=hlght_date=date_fmt=%25Y-%25mbeenhere=1 Please stop using graphs

Re: Jessie without systemd as PID 1?

2014-09-03 Thread Cameron Norman
El mié, 3 de sep 2014 a las 4:07 , Marco d'Itri m...@linux.it escribió: On Sep 03, Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org wrote:

Re: Jessie without systemd as PID 1?

2014-09-02 Thread Thorsten Glaser
On Mon, 1 Sep 2014, Steven Chamberlain wrote: rejected. I hope a Blend would be a more constructive approach. I'm thinking sysvinit would be the easiest 'flavour' to implement for Actually, I think it’s the hardest one. All others will be task selections run after debootstrap. Changing the

Re: Jessie without systemd as PID 1?

2014-09-02 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
On 09/02/2014 13:15, Thorsten Glaser wrote: Oh, and afterwards ensure systemd is not re-added. The prevent-systemd-* package set can do this in three steps, although I don’t currently see even prevent-systemd-running (Conflicts mostly with systemd-sysv) being accepted, so you’d have to

Re: Jessie without systemd as PID 1?

2014-09-02 Thread Svante Signell
On Tue, 2014-09-02 at 13:15 +0200, Thorsten Glaser wrote: On Mon, 1 Sep 2014, Steven Chamberlain wrote: rejected. I hope a Blend would be a more constructive approach. I'm thinking sysvinit would be the easiest 'flavour' to implement for Actually, I think it’s the hardest one. All

Re: Jessie without systemd as PID 1?

2014-09-02 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Svante Signell dixit: It would be nice to have the same init system:sysv-core, as well as the same default desktop:mate-desktop-environment (including accessibility enhancements), for all arches: Linux, kFreeBSD and Hurd :-) If possible, this could be an option in the advanced menu of the

Re: Jessie without systemd as PID 1?

2014-09-01 Thread Mike Gabriel
Hi Steven, On So 31 Aug 2014 02:20:08 CEST, Steven Chamberlain wrote: Hi, On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 10:46:28 +0200, Svante Signell wrote: [...] only way to do that now is to install with the installer, getting systemd-sysv as PID 1, and later install sysvinit-core, systemd-shim etc? I've been

Re: Jessie without systemd as PID 1?

2014-09-01 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 01.09.2014 12:42, schrieb Mike Gabriel: as I am currently working on a thinclient environment for X2Go which needs such an alt-init approach beyond wheezy, I will be happy to help-out with sponsoring and testing. Just curious: Why does X2Go/your thinclient environment need an alternative

Re: Jessie without systemd as PID 1?

2014-09-01 Thread Steven Chamberlain
Hello, On 01/09/14 11:42, Mike Gabriel wrote: as I am currently working on a thinclient environment for X2Go which needs such an alt-init approach beyond wheezy, I will be happy to help-out with sponsoring and testing. Great! I was quite sure there will be users who need such a setup for

Re: Jessie without systemd as PID 1?

2014-09-01 Thread Mike Gabriel
On Mo 01 Sep 2014 13:10:21 CEST, Steven Chamberlain wrote: [...] I'm going to have a read over ITP procedure, mentors.d.n and Blends documentation and then I will get back to you. Great. Please do! Mike -- DAS-NETZWERKTEAM mike gabriel, herweg 7, 24357 fleckeby fon: +49 (1520) 1976 148

Re: Jessie without systemd as PID 1?

2014-08-30 Thread Steven Chamberlain
Hi, On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 10:46:28 +0200, Svante Signell wrote: [...] only way to do that now is to install with the installer, getting systemd-sysv as PID 1, and later install sysvinit-core, systemd-shim etc? I've been dreaming of #758116 (allowing to select Debian Blends selection during

Jessie without systemd as PID 1?

2014-08-29 Thread Svante Signell
Hello, I'm about to install Debian Jessie/testing on a brand new (powerful) computer and don't want to have systemd running as PID 1. Is the only way to do that now is to install with the installer, getting systemd-sysv as PID 1, and later install sysvinit-core, systemd-shim etc? -- To

Re: Jessie without systemd as PID 1?

2014-08-29 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Svante Signell svante.sign...@gmail.com (2014-08-29): I'm about to install Debian Jessie/testing on a brand new (powerful) computer and don't want to have systemd running as PID 1. Is the only way to do that now is to install with the installer, getting systemd-sysv as PID 1, and later install