Re: realtime kernel for Debian

2009-03-25 Thread Grammostola Rosea
sense to try to join forces with these Debian based distributions and try to comaintain a -rt kernel package together with these guys to ensure a solit maintenance inside Debian. A lot of linux audio users build their own patched kernels, because they can't get it from the distribution; S

Re: realtime kernel for Debian

2009-03-25 Thread Andreas Tille
forces with these Debian based distributions and try to comaintain a -rt kernel package together with these guys to ensure a solit maintenance inside Debian. A lot of linux audio users build their own patched kernels, because they can't get it from the distribution; So why don't these peo

Re: Re: realtime kernel for Debian

2009-03-24 Thread nescivi
> I think 95% of the users of the linuxaudio.org community (LAU mailinglist) > uses a realtime kernel (CONFIG_HZ_1000 + Mingo patch (!?)). Discussion if > it is still needed bumps up there once in a while, for example: > > http://linuxaudio.org/mailarchive/lau/2009/3/10/153190 >

Re: realtime kernel for Debian

2009-03-24 Thread Grammostola Rosea
Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote: Raphael Hertzog wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2009, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote: Do you really need real time kernel? Debian is a technical driven project, but reading the previous two quotes, "real time" is used as marketing thing. It's good to question

Re: realtime kernel for Debian

2009-03-24 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Tue, 24 Mar 2009, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote: >> I do use a real-time kernel on a Debian based system for one of my >> customers (but I have to recompile the kernel anyway because I do other >> customizations) and I have good reasons to do so because I can't suffer >&

Re: realtime kernel for Debian

2009-03-24 Thread Giacomo A. Catenazzi
Raphael Hertzog wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2009, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote: Do you really need real time kernel? Debian is a technical driven project, but reading the previous two quotes, "real time" is used as marketing thing. It's good to question the use of any feature, but a r

Re: realtime kernel for Debian

2009-03-24 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Tue, 24 Mar 2009, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote: > Do you really need real time kernel? > Debian is a technical driven project, but reading the previous two quotes, > "real time" is used as marketing thing. It's good to question the use of any feature, but a real-time

Re: realtime kernel for Debian

2009-03-24 Thread Giacomo A. Catenazzi
Grammostola Rosea wrote: Jim wrote: Grammostola Rosea, I want also to direct your attention to the kernel, as it has the possibility to be more supportive of those specific needs, by having low latency and real-time extensions patched and enabled. The debian folks (especially "waldi

Re: realtime kernel for Debian (was: Please Improve Debian for Multimedia Production)

2009-03-24 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 7:25 PM, Grammostola Rosea wrote: > Mmh this is interesting, cause there is an realtime kernel available in the > ubuntu hardy repo, but not in Debian yet. Would be nice if there was one > which users could install. But I'm not an rt-kernel expert at all

realtime kernel for Debian (was: Please Improve Debian for Multimedia Production)

2009-03-24 Thread Grammostola Rosea
Jim wrote: Grammostola Rosea, I want also to direct your attention to the kernel, as it has the possibility to be more supportive of those specific needs, by having low latency and real-time extensions patched and enabled. The debian folks (especially "waldi" aka Bastien Blank will s

Re: Minimum kernel requirement for Squeeze

2009-03-22 Thread Aurelien Jarno
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 09:59:06PM +, Roger Leigh wrote: > Hi folks, > > With respect to #494001, I would like to determine the minimum > version of the linux kernel we will > > a) support and > b) be physically capable of running > > for Squeeze. > >

Re: [Pkg-sysvinit-devel] Bug#494001: Minimum kernel requirement for Squeeze

2009-03-20 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Fri, 20 Mar 2009, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Mar 19, Roger Leigh wrote: > > With respect to #494001, I would like to determine the minimum > > version of the linux kernel we will > For the new udev package[1] I am trying *very* hard to keep it working > even with 2.6.18

Re: Minimum kernel requirement for Squeeze

2009-03-19 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Mar 19, Roger Leigh wrote: > With respect to #494001, I would like to determine the minimum > version of the linux kernel we will For the new udev package[1] I am trying *very* hard to keep it working even with 2.6.18 kernels long enough to be able to finish the upgrade, but I can te

Minimum kernel requirement for Squeeze

2009-03-19 Thread Roger Leigh
Hi folks, With respect to #494001, I would like to determine the minimum version of the linux kernel we will a) support and b) be physically capable of running for Squeeze. It has been asserted that squeeze will not work with kernels < 2.6.26 by jcristau on IRC, but I haven't yet f

Re: Should 32-bit apps work with a 64-bit kernel?

2009-02-27 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Roger Leigh writes: > On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 04:16:53PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > >> Maybe we need a mass bug filing for programs not using 64bit file >> offsets. > > I think that would be appropriate. At this point, I can't see a > valid reason for any package to not have LFS enable

Re: Forthcoming changes in kernel-package

2009-02-26 Thread Theodore Tso
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 12:56:30PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > BTW, I have a set of patches you might want to consider. I'll file > > them in BTS if you're currently making make-kpkg. > > Please. I have been thinking about the request you made for > debugging symbols being package

Re: Should 32-bit apps work with a 64-bit kernel?

2009-02-26 Thread Mark Brown
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 10:48:35AM +, Roger Leigh wrote: > Agreed. If we can identify all libraries (perhaps with a simple grep over > the lintian lab?) containing these types, and make sure LFS is enabled in > all of them, it should then be possible to switch once all dependencies > are rebu

Re: Should 32-bit apps work with a 64-bit kernel?

2009-02-26 Thread Roger Leigh
On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 06:20:50PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 10:52:30PM +, Roger Leigh wrote: > > > Personally, I would prefer the glibc headers to just set the LFS > > macros to the 64 bit versions by default, so that rather than > > taking extra steps to enable L

Re: Should 32-bit apps work with a 64-bit kernel?

2009-02-25 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 10:52:30PM +, Roger Leigh wrote: > Personally, I would prefer the glibc headers to just set the LFS > macros to the 64 bit versions by default, so that rather than > taking extra steps to enable LFS, LFS would be the default and you > would then need to take extra steps

Re: Should 32-bit apps work with a 64-bit kernel?

2009-02-25 Thread Roger Leigh
On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 04:16:53PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Maybe we need a mass bug filing for programs not using 64bit file > offsets. I think that would be appropriate. At this point, I can't see a valid reason for any package to not have LFS enabled. > Anyone up for hacking libc

Re: Forthcoming changes in kernel-package

2009-02-25 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, Feb 25 2009, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Manoj Srivastava writes: > >> On Wed, Feb 18 2009, Theodore Tso wrote: >> >>> On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 12:14:49AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> This is

Re: Forthcoming changes in kernel-package

2009-02-25 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Manoj Srivastava writes: > On Wed, Feb 18 2009, Theodore Tso wrote: > >> On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 12:14:49AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> This is a heads up for a major change in kernel-package, the >>> tool to create use

Re: Should 32-bit apps work with a 64-bit kernel?

2009-02-25 Thread Samuel Thibault
Goswin von Brederlow, le Wed 25 Feb 2009 16:16:53 +0100, a écrit : > Anyone up for hacking libc to always fail on the 32bit wrappers for > seek, stat, ...? Or looking for binaries with a U lseek ? Samuel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsub

Re: Should 32-bit apps work with a 64-bit kernel?

2009-02-25 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Ron Johnson writes: > On 02/09/2009 08:04 AM, Ron Johnson wrote: >> On 02/09/2009 12:28 AM, Martin Langhoff wrote: >>> On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Ben Hutchings >>> wrote: If jed can deal with files that large, sure. But if it expects to be able to load the entire file into memory

Bug#516488: RFH: kernel-patch-exec-shield -- protection against stack smashing and other attacks

2009-02-21 Thread Marcus Better
Package: wnpp Severity: normal This kernel patch provides exec-shield, a security feature for the Linux kernel on i386 (it is not relevant for x86_64). The patch is present in Fedora kernels, which is also the upstream maintainer. Since I hardly use i386 machines anymore, I need help with any of

Re: Forthcoming changes in kernel-package

2009-02-20 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, Feb 18 2009, Theodore Tso wrote: > On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 12:14:49AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> Hi, >> >> This is a heads up for a major change in kernel-package, the >> tool to create user packaged kernel images and headers; which will >&g

Re: Forthcoming changes in kernel-package

2009-02-18 Thread Theodore Tso
On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 12:14:49AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Hi, > > This is a heads up for a major change in kernel-package, the > tool to create user packaged kernel images and headers; which will > make the make-kpkg script far less error prone, and far more &

Re: Forthcoming changes in kernel-package

2009-02-13 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
Hi Mano, > This is a heads up for a major change in kernel-package, the > tool to create user packaged kernel images and headers; which will > make the make-kpkg script far less error prone, and far more > deterministic. kernel-package works well for me since years now, th

Re: Forthcoming changes in kernel-package

2009-02-09 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, Feb 09 2009, Michael Tautschnig wrote: > [...] >>c. his means there will be no need for /etc/kernel-img.conf file any >> more. > > [...] > > Isn't this file also read in the postinst of the "official" kernels? > In FAI we had sever

Re: Should 32-bit apps work with a 64-bit kernel?

2009-02-09 Thread Ron Johnson
On 02/09/2009 08:04 AM, Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/09/2009 12:28 AM, Martin Langhoff wrote: On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Ben Hutchings wrote: If jed can deal with files that large, sure. But if it expects to be able to load the entire file into memory - as most text editors do - stat() will

Re: Should 32-bit apps work with a 64-bit kernel?

2009-02-09 Thread Ron Johnson
On 02/09/2009 12:28 AM, Martin Langhoff wrote: On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Ben Hutchings wrote: If jed can deal with files that large, sure. But if it expects to be able to load the entire file into memory - as most text editors do - stat() will be only the first of its problems. Old vi

Re: Forthcoming changes in kernel-package

2009-02-09 Thread Stefan Lippers-Hollmann
Hi On Montag, 9. Februar 2009, Michael Tautschnig wrote: > [...] > >c. his means there will be no need for /etc/kernel-img.conf file any > > more. > > [...] > > Isn't this file also read in the postinst of the "official" kernels? In FAI we >

Re: Forthcoming changes in kernel-package

2009-02-09 Thread Michael Tautschnig
[...] >c. his means there will be no need for /etc/kernel-img.conf file any > more. [...] Isn't this file also read in the postinst of the "official" kernels? In FAI we had several issues when kernel-img.conf was missing or hadn't had the proper value

Forthcoming changes in kernel-package

2009-02-08 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, This is a heads up for a major change in kernel-package, the tool to create user packaged kernel images and headers; which will make the make-kpkg script far less error prone, and far more deterministic. a. Every invocation of kernel-package will remove ./debian directory

Re: Should 32-bit apps work with a 64-bit kernel?

2009-02-08 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Ben Hutchings wrote: > If jed can deal with files that large, sure. But if it expects to be > able to load the entire file into memory - as most text editors do - > stat() will be only the first of its problems. Old vi was able to work with files larger than avail

Re: Should 32-bit apps work with a 64-bit kernel?

2009-02-08 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Sun, 2009-02-08 at 10:46 +, Jörg Sommer wrote: > Hi, > > I have the bug report #489917 that complains that Jed can't handle > 64‐bit kernel structures. In this special case, the stat() return with > EOVERFLOW Value too large to be stored in data type. Jed was compiled f

Re: Should 32-bit apps work with a 64-bit kernel?

2009-02-08 Thread Ron Johnson
On 02/08/2009 04:46 AM, Jörg Sommer wrote: Hi, I have the bug report #489917 that complains that Jed can't handle 64‐bit kernel structures. In this special case, the stat() return with EOVERFLOW Value too large to be stored in data type. Jed was compiled for a 32‐bit kernel and is run with

Re: Should 32-bit apps work with a 64-bit kernel?

2009-02-08 Thread sean finney
hi, On Sun, Feb 08, 2009 at 12:58:43PM +0100, Lionel Elie Mamane wrote: > I'd think you should enable it for all 32 bit builds; it is, I think, > a step in having support for large files (files bigger than 2 or 4 > gigabytes), something we wanted to have for... woody. more specifically, what i th

Re: Should 32-bit apps work with a 64-bit kernel?

2009-02-08 Thread Lionel Elie Mamane
On Sun, Feb 08, 2009 at 10:46:42AM +, Jörg Sommer wrote: > I have the bug report #489917 that complains that Jed can't handle > 64‐bit kernel structures. (...) The error can be fixed by compiling > Jed with -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64. Should I set this option for all > 32‐bit

Should 32-bit apps work with a 64-bit kernel?

2009-02-08 Thread Jörg Sommer
Hi, I have the bug report #489917 that complains that Jed can't handle 64‐bit kernel structures. In this special case, the stat() return with EOVERFLOW Value too large to be stored in data type. Jed was compiled for a 32‐bit kernel and is run with a 64‐bit kernel. The error can be fix

Re: Kernel legacy

2009-02-01 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Sun, 2009-02-01 at 23:31 +0100, Klaus Ethgen wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > Am So den 1. Feb 2009 um 18:57 schrieb Luk Claes: > > > With lenny the provided glibc seems to be incompatible to kernel 2.4. > > > There are many system

Re: Kernel legacy

2009-02-01 Thread Klaus Ethgen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Am So den 1. Feb 2009 um 18:57 schrieb Luk Claes: > > With lenny the provided glibc seems to be incompatible to kernel 2.4. > > There are many systems out there still running with kernel 2.4 cause > > stability. (My servers which

Re: Kernel legacy

2009-02-01 Thread Bastian Blank
On Sun, Feb 01, 2009 at 05:26:30PM +0100, Klaus Ethgen wrote: > With lenny the provided glibc seems to be incompatible to kernel 2.4. The Linux 2.4 support ended with the Etch release. Even for Etch it is only supported for upgrades. > Is there any scenario what happens to such system

Re: Kernel legacy

2009-02-01 Thread Luk Claes
Klaus Ethgen wrote: > Just to bring that back to discussion: > > With lenny the provided glibc seems to be incompatible to kernel 2.4. > There are many systems out there still running with kernel 2.4 cause > stability. (My servers which needs to be stable all run Kernel 2.4.) s/le

Re: Kernel legacy

2009-02-01 Thread Russ Allbery
Klaus Ethgen writes: > Background: The glibc in lenny is compiled to be incompatible with > kernels lower than 2.6. I do not know if there are options to use newer > glibc with older kernels. There is other software in lenny that isn't built to be compatible with older kernels as well. For exam

Kernel legacy

2009-02-01 Thread Klaus Ethgen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Just to bring that back to discussion: With lenny the provided glibc seems to be incompatible to kernel 2.4. There are many systems out there still running with kernel 2.4 cause stability. (My servers which needs to be stable all run Kernel 2.4

Re: Re: Possibility for dependencies against specific kernel modules

2008-11-02 Thread Filipus Klutiero
On Sat, Nov 01, 2008 at 07:29:16PM -0400, Filipus Klutiero wrote: >> | Package: test >> | Depends: test-modules | test-source >> | >> | Package: test-modules >> | Depends: linux-image-2.6.26-1-powerpc | linux-image-2.6.26-1-powerpc64 >> | >> | Package: test-source >> >> Both apt and aptitude woul

Re: can a kernel in main depend on firmware in non-free to work?

2008-11-02 Thread Alexandre Oliva
taking up disk space and bandwidth (e.g., a kernel containing modules that won't work, even if you install every package in main and contrib). Worse, software that might give the user the impression that something is going to work (module is loaded, reports some progress), but then fail

Re: Possibility for dependencies against specific kernel modules

2008-11-02 Thread Michael Meskes
On Sat, Nov 01, 2008 at 09:37:50PM +0100, Frans Pop wrote: > For a really neat and complete solution you'd IMO still need something > like I proposed though to make the vbox ABI visible in package names, but > that can probably be postponed until after Lenny. Well it is, namely the upstream vers

Re: Possibility for dependencies against specific kernel modules

2008-11-02 Thread Bastian Blank
On Sat, Nov 01, 2008 at 07:29:16PM -0400, Filipus Klutiero wrote: >> | Package: test >> | Depends: test-modules | test-source >> | >> | Package: test-modules >> | Depends: linux-image-2.6.26-1-powerpc | linux-image-2.6.26-1-powerpc64 >> | >> | Package: test-source >> >> Both apt and aptitude would

Re: Possibility for dependencies against specific kernel modules

2008-11-01 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Hi folks Because of some recent events, I thought about the possibility for packages to depend against kernel module packages. As we don't want to dictate the usage of Debian provided kernels, we need a last resort fallback to the modules source. My first solution was something lik

Re: Possibility for dependencies against specific kernel modules

2008-11-01 Thread Bastian Blank
from lme makes no real sense to me because lme is not > supposed to be reupped for each new version of virtualbox. On the other hand > building them with virtualbox-ose makes no sense because vbos is not supposed > to be reupped for each new kernel. You are solving problem 2 before

Re: Possibility for dependencies against specific kernel modules

2008-11-01 Thread Frans Pop
because lme is > not supposed to be reupped for each new version of virtualbox. On the > other hand building them with virtualbox-ose makes no sense because vbos > is not supposed to be reupped for each new kernel. Sounds like a good plan. Only disadvantage is that for ABI-changing kernel up

Re: Possibility for dependencies against specific kernel modules

2008-11-01 Thread Michael Meskes
r each new version of virtualbox. On the other hand building them with virtualbox-ose makes no sense because vbos is not supposed to be reupped for each new kernel. How about adding a new package, virtualbox-ose-modules-2.6, mirroring lme only for the virtualbox modules? This package could be handled

Re: Possibility for dependencies against specific kernel modules

2008-10-31 Thread Frans Pop
Bastian Blank wrote: > On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 05:07:44PM +0100, Frans Pop wrote: >> Exactly because of the option of using custom built kernels, virtualbox >> does not depend on the Debian modules packages, but only recommends >> them (which IMO is correct: the Debian module package will be instal

Re: Possibility for dependencies against specific kernel modules

2008-10-31 Thread Bastian Blank
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 05:07:44PM +0100, Frans Pop wrote: > Bastian Blank wrote: > > Because of some recent events, I thought about the possibility for > > packages to depend against kernel module packages. As we don't want to > > dictate the usage of Debian provid

Re: can a kernel in main depend on firmware in non-free to work?

2008-10-31 Thread Peter Samuelson
as moving the whole > package to non-free. The difference between main and contrib is not at all the same as the difference between main and non-free. > > Because the kernel is perfectly usable without the firmwares. > > But how about the specific modules that require them, the ones

Re: Possibility for dependencies against specific kernel modules

2008-10-31 Thread Frans Pop
Bastian Blank wrote: > Because of some recent events, I thought about the possibility for > packages to depend against kernel module packages. As we don't want to > dictate the usage of Debian provided kernels, we need a last resort > fallback to the modules source. Exactly beca

Re: Possibility for dependencies against specific kernel modules

2008-10-31 Thread Kel Modderman
On Friday 31 October 2008 22:20:26 Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le vendredi 31 octobre 2008 à 12:44 +0100, Bastian Blank a écrit : > > Because of some recent events, I thought about the possibility for > > packages to depend against kernel module packages. As we don't want to >

Re: Possibility for dependencies against specific kernel modules

2008-10-31 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le vendredi 31 octobre 2008 à 12:44 +0100, Bastian Blank a écrit : > Because of some recent events, I thought about the possibility for > packages to depend against kernel module packages. As we don't want to > dictate the usage of Debian provided kernels, we need a last resort >

Possibility for dependencies against specific kernel modules

2008-10-31 Thread Bastian Blank
Hi folks Because of some recent events, I thought about the possibility for packages to depend against kernel module packages. As we don't want to dictate the usage of Debian provided kernels, we need a last resort fallback to the modules source. My first solution was something lik

Re: can a kernel in main depend on firmware in non-free to work?

2008-10-31 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 30 octobre 2008 à 17:37 -0200, Alexandre Oliva a écrit : > It does make a difference when the components don't quite form an > inseparable unit, but rather they're just put together in a single > tarball for convenience. Kernel modules are not really separable from th

Re: can a kernel in main depend on firmware in non-free to work?

2008-10-30 Thread Alexandre Oliva
bian itself is Free to modify, and quite often does. It does make a difference when the components don't quite form an inseparable unit, but rather they're just put together in a single tarball for convenience. Say, Debian splits out the kernel documentation and kernel headers from

Re: can a kernel in main depend on firmware in non-free to work?

2008-10-30 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mercredi 29 octobre 2008 à 22:10 -0200, Alexandre Oliva a écrit : > > Because the kernel is perfectly usable without the firmwares. > > But how about the specific modules that require them, the ones that > got this sub-thread started in the first place? It doesn't make se

Re: can a kernel in main depend on firmware in non-free to work?

2008-10-29 Thread Alexandre Oliva
ey were packaged together just for e.g. convenience of download, and building them separately would be just as simple. Kernel modules *are* plugins, and the Linux build machinery is designed to enable just this kind of convenient separate building. I understand that, from a maintenance point o

Re: can a kernel in main depend on firmware in non-free to work?

2008-10-28 Thread Josselin Mouette
; non-Free portions go to contrib. I don’t know of such a package, but if there are, that’s fine. Just unnecessary. > Why should this cleansing not be applied to the kernel, that's > arguably far more important than a number of accessory packages that > undergo this procedure?

Re: can a kernel in main depend on firmware in non-free to work?

2008-10-28 Thread Alexandre Oliva
at portions that are Free and stand-alone remain in main, while non-Free portions go to non-free, and those that are Free but require non-Free portions go to contrib. Why should this cleansing not be applied to the kernel, that's arguably far more important than a number of accesso

Re: can a kernel in main depend on firmware in non-free to work?

2008-10-28 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Alexandre Oliva] > Say, if these drivers that require non-Free firmware *were* shipped > as separate packages (for whatever reason), would they really belong > in main, rather than in contrib? Now you've hit on it. If they were packaged _separately_, the drivers that are non-functional without

Re: can a kernel in main depend on firmware in non-free to work?

2008-10-27 Thread Alexandre Oliva
mpiler per se, it just offers a nicer front end for someone who wants the compiler to run, a driver for a device is just a nice front end for someone who wants the device to work. If firmware is required by the device, this would make the driver in the kernel an accessory to the non-Free program t

Bug#503625: ITP: debirf -- Build a kernel and initrd to run Debian from RAM

2008-10-26 Thread Jameson Graef Rollins
man.net/wiki/debirf * License : GPLv3 Programming Lang: Bash Description : Build a kernel and initrd to run Debian from RAM debirf (DEBian on Initial Ram Filesystem) is a set of tools designed to create and prepare a kernel and initial ram filesystem that can run a full-blown Debian

Re: can a kernel in main depend on firmware in non-free to work?

2008-10-25 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Sat, 2008-10-25 at 18:28 -0200, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > Hi again, > > I've been watching the discussion and the separation of firmware from > kernel sources with a lot of interest, but today it dawned on me that, > even if this project is completed, it wouldn't qui

can a kernel in main depend on firmware in non-free to work?

2008-10-25 Thread Alexandre Oliva
Hi again, I've been watching the discussion and the separation of firmware from kernel sources with a lot of interest, but today it dawned on me that, even if this project is completed, it wouldn't quite address the issue of compliance with Debian procedures and regulations. I understa

Re: debian-kernel (Supporting 2.6.27 in Lenny? - Long term support)

2008-10-19 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Le October 19, 2008 04:04:58 am Thomas Viehmann, vous avez écrit : > Filipus Klutiero wrote: > > It is, but the first team that should approve a Linux upgrade in lenny > > is the kernel team. After that the d-i team would be contacted. > > Could you just stop handing

Re: debian-kernel (Supporting 2.6.27 in Lenny? - Long term support)

2008-10-19 Thread Thomas Viehmann
Filipus Klutiero wrote: > It is, but the first team that should approve a Linux upgrade in lenny > is the kernel team. After that the d-i team would be contacted. Could you just stop handing out bad advice on the development list, please? The answer to the kernel question is "No"

Re: Re: debian-kernel (Supporting 2.6.27 in Lenny? - Long term support)

2008-10-18 Thread Filipus Klutiero
On ven, 2008-10-17 at 21:39 -0400, Filipus Klutiero wrote: > For kernel-related discussions, ask on debian-kernel. And for lenny-related discussions, isn't the release team concerned? :) It is, but the first team that should approve a Linux upgrade in lenny is the kernel team. Af

Re: debian-kernel (Supporting 2.6.27 in Lenny? - Long term support)

2008-10-17 Thread Yves-Alexis Perez
On ven, 2008-10-17 at 21:39 -0400, Filipus Klutiero wrote: > For kernel-related discussions, ask on debian-kernel. And for lenny-related discussions, isn't the release team concerned? :) -- Yves-Alexis signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

debian-kernel (Supporting 2.6.27 in Lenny? - Long term support)

2008-10-17 Thread Filipus Klutiero
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debian-kernel (Re: kernel 2.6.27 in lenny?)

2008-10-15 Thread Filipus Klutiero
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Re: Rejuvenated kernel-package uploaded to unstable, please test

2008-10-15 Thread Manoj Srivastava
>> not the way upstream recommends to install firmware. >> >> All (non-free) Debian firmware packages install the firmware files >> directly under /lib/firmware, not /lib/firmware/$kernel-version. >> >> And Debian's udev does not consider the kernel-vers

Re: Rejuvenated kernel-package uploaded to unstable, please test

2008-10-14 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Tue, 14 Oct 2008, Felipe Sateler wrote: > Please hit me with the cluebat; apparently I'm not understanding anything. Why > would I want to have more than one firmware installed? AIUI, the firmware is The firmware has an ABI to the kernel driver. If it changes, both have to change

Re: Rejuvenated kernel-package uploaded to unstable, please test

2008-10-14 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 14 Oct 2008, Felipe Sateler wrote: > Please hit me with the cluebat; apparently I'm not understanding > anything. Why would I want to have more than one firmware installed? > AIUI, the firmware is meant to be installed into the hardware and as > such shouldn't be tied

Re: Rejuvenated kernel-package uploaded to unstable, please test

2008-10-14 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
s removed? > > It wasn't removed, upstream added that after the version of udev in Debian. Not Debian. Ubuntu. And it caused quite a fight in LKML, too, which I won't bother to repeat here. Basically, there are three choices: 1. Package the firmware as the new kernel-package d

Re: Rejuvenated kernel-package uploaded to unstable, please test

2008-10-14 Thread Felipe Sateler
Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> This means that if you start installing the same firmware file under >> versioned directories, udev will use the first one it finds. Which >> will be the one for some $random kernel version and not the one for >> the currently running kernel.

Re: Rejuvenated kernel-package uploaded to unstable, please test

2008-10-14 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hello Manoj and other Kernel-Maintainers, Thank you for doing this hard job... I am ongoing to test the new "kernel-package". Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator 24V Electronic Engineer Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux

Re: Rejuvenated kernel-package uploaded to unstable, please test

2008-10-14 Thread Frans Pop
Paul Wise wrote: > In contrast, the latest upstream udev (130) has this: > FIRMWARE_DIRS="/lib/firmware/$(uname -r) /lib/firmware" From what I've seen on lkml I suspect this has mainly been added because some distributions _do_ install firmware is versioned subdirs. Debian currently does not sup

Re: Rejuvenated kernel-package uploaded to unstable, please test

2008-10-14 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 2:38 PM, Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Seems like upstream udev firmware loader does look at > /lib/firmware/$(uname -r)/, which seems sane. > >Why was this removed? It wasn't removed, upstream added that after the version of udev in Debian.

Re: Rejuvenated kernel-package uploaded to unstable, please test

2008-10-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
e. Also, > it is not the way upstream recommends to install firmware. I think where Debian looks for firmware could change. Or people can use hardlinks. > All (non-free) Debian firmware packages install the firmware files > directly under /lib/firmware, not /lib/firmware/$kernel-v

Re: Rejuvenated kernel-package uploaded to unstable, please test

2008-10-13 Thread Paul Wise
t; > All (non-free) Debian firmware packages install the firmware files > directly under /lib/firmware, not /lib/firmware/$kernel-version. > > And Debian's udev does not consider the kernel-version when looking for > firmware. /lib/udev/hotplug.functions has: > FIRMWARE_DIRS='

Re: kernel 2.6.27 in lenny?

2008-10-13 Thread Yves-Alexis Perez
On mar, 2008-10-14 at 07:59 +0200, Peter Jordan wrote: > wouldn't it > be a good idea to take kernel 2.6.27 as the stable kernel in lenny? If we want to release lenny before 2.6.27 is not supported anymore, maybe it's not? -- Yves-Alexis signature.asc Description: This is a

kernel 2.6.27 in lenny?

2008-10-13 Thread Peter Jordan
Hi, considering that Adrian Bunk announced long time support for kernel 2.6.27 (http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/743377) wouldn't it be a good idea to take kernel 2.6.27 as the stable kernel in lenny? PJ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "u

Re: Rejuvenated kernel-package uploaded to unstable, please test

2008-10-13 Thread Frans Pop
. All (non-free) Debian firmware packages install the firmware files directly under /lib/firmware, not /lib/firmware/$kernel-version. And Debian's udev does not consider the kernel-version when looking for firmware. /lib/udev/hotplug.functions has: FIRMWARE_DIRS='/lib/firmware /usr/lo

Re: The kernel-img.conf man page

2008-10-11 Thread Bastian Blank
with several roughly identical > manpages installed, which seems like a waste. It would be not that usefull as the kernel team wants to split the complete image maintainer scripts into its own package anyway. And having one package which just a manpage is not nice for the archive. Bastian -- Di

Re: Rejuvenated kernel-package uploaded to unstable, please test

2008-10-11 Thread Charlie
On Fri, 10 Oct 2008, Manoj Srivastava engaged keyboard and shared this with us all: >--} Hi folks, >--} >--}         A new version of kernel-package has made its way to unstable. >--}  This is a extensive change, and addresses most of the problems that >--}  have been plaguing

Re: The kernel-img.conf man page

2008-10-10 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Manoj Srivastava said: > I can go either route. Comments? I'd say a -common package makes the most sense to me. The other way seems like you could conceivably end up with several roughly identical manpages installed, which seems like a waste. --

The kernel-img.conf man page

2008-10-10 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, The kernel images produced by kernel package all obey the directives in /etc/kernel-img.conf, for example, to trigger lilo/grub. Currently, users only get to see the man page if they happen to have the 'kernel-package' package installed. As Bug#373872 shows, even offic

Re: Rejuvenated kernel-package uploaded to unstable, please test

2008-10-10 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, Be sure to get kernel-package_11.005_all.deb. The 11.005 fixes a critical regression, born of a copy&paste error from late night hacking. Sorry for the inconvenience. manoj -- Spence's Admonition: Never stow away on a kamikaze plane. Manoj Srivastava <[EMA

Rejuvenated kernel-package uploaded to unstable, please test

2008-10-10 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi folks, A new version of kernel-package has made its way to unstable. This is a extensive change, and addresses most of the problems that have been plaguing kernel-package, partially thanks to patches provided by other folk. The new version works with the merged x86 code in

Re: RFC: DKMS - Dynamic Kernel Module Support

2008-09-17 Thread Yves-Alexis Perez
On mer, 2008-09-17 at 22:33 +0200, David Paleino wrote: > Should I continue working on DKMS for Debian, or is that all wasted > time? Go ahead, it *will* be useful, and isn't intended to replace module-assistant anyway. It may have some problems, but they will be identified, reported and fixed. C

Re: Re: RFC: DKMS - Dynamic Kernel Module Support

2008-09-17 Thread Filipus Klutiero
So, what's the final status of this thread? Should I continue working on the package? Should I drop it? I wouldn't want to drop it -- if there's no consensus or, at least, someone wanting it -- and wanting to *sponsor* it, or someone that will actually *use* it, I believe I'll put that on my pri

Re: RFC: DKMS - Dynamic Kernel Module Support

2008-09-17 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Wed, 2008-09-17 at 22:33 +0200, David Paleino wrote: > On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 10:00:38 +0200, David Paleino wrote: > > > Hello *, > > some time ago I filed a RFS [1] for DKMS [2] > > So, what's the final status of this thread? > Should I continue working on the package? Should I drop it? > > I w

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