Hi,
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 05:12:59AM +0600, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote:
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 12:06:16PM +0100, Pau Garcia i Quiles wrote:
This blogpost is months old but it makes some interesting reflections:
http://www.pappp.net/?p=969
I demand that Adam Borowski may or may not have written...
[snip]
No, it's something in the middle. Those who dislike systemd say it
exaggerates systemd's claimed benefits, while Joss considers it an attack
as well. Let's no go there for now.
What makes this article worth reading is that
On 2013-01-23 20:45:49 -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
Adam Borowski kilob...@angband.pl writes:
There are two ways to design a system:
* a monolithic well-integrated system, granting features and efficiency at
the cost of portability and hackability
* the traditional Unix way, with a
Russ Allbery wrote:
Adam Borowski kilob...@angband.pl writes:
There are two ways to design a system:
* a monolithic well-integrated system, granting features and efficiency at
the cost of portability and hackability
* the traditional Unix way, with a stress on replaceable tools that
Le mercredi 23 janvier 2013 à 21:03 +0100, Florian Weimer a écrit :
Unfortunately, a lot of this doesn't apply to the polkit version in
experimental, which replaces .plka files with Javascript (which
sort-of enforces that only system administrators can configure polkit,
and not other
Le mardi 22 janvier 2013 à 16:32 -0500, Theodore Ts'o a écrit :
One of the big things which is incredibly frustrating with the D-Bus
interfaces is that they aren't documented; and if they are documented,
it's not obvious where.
I can only agree completely. It is very frustrating for some
Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org writes:
You might find this useful:
http://np237.livejournal.com/33449.html
I made this presentation in the hope to make such things easier to
understand for the sysadmin.
I read that back then when you originally posted it and I still think
it's one of the
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 10:46:33AM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
You might find this useful:
http://np237.livejournal.com/33449.html
I made this presentation in the hope to make such things easier to
understand for the sysadmin.
Just for the record I found it a good read, and mentally have
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 02:57:58PM +0100, Svante Signell wrote:
On Tue, 2013-01-22 at 14:41 +0100, Adam Borowski wrote:
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 12:06:16PM +0100, Pau Garcia i Quiles wrote:
This blogpost is months old but it makes some interesting reflections:
http://www.pappp.net/?p=969
* Jon Dowland:
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 10:46:33AM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
You might find this useful:
http://np237.livejournal.com/33449.html
I made this presentation in the hope to make such things easier to
understand for the sysadmin.
Just for the record I found it a good read,
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 08:16:40PM +0100, Philipp Kern wrote:
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 02:57:58PM +0100, Svante Signell wrote:
On Tue, 2013-01-22 at 14:41 +0100, Adam Borowski wrote:
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 12:06:16PM +0100, Pau Garcia i Quiles wrote:
This blogpost is months old but it
Adam Borowski kilob...@angband.pl writes:
There are two ways to design a system:
* a monolithic well-integrated system, granting features and efficiency at
the cost of portability and hackability
* the traditional Unix way, with a stress on replaceable tools that do only
one thing,
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 08:45:49PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
Adam Borowski kilob...@angband.pl writes:
There are two ways to design a system:
* a monolithic well-integrated system, granting features and efficiency at
the cost of portability and hackability
* the traditional Unix way,
On 24/01/2013 13:09, Adam Borowski wrote:
[...]
* the monolithic design has a huge freeness problem. To do anything not on
a rigid list of features you need to learn the intricaties of a large
complex system, and you can be certain that even if you manage to do so,
your patches will
Adam Borowski kilob...@angband.pl writes:
Putting it another way:
* the monolithic design has a huge freeness problem. To do anything not on
a rigid list of features you need to learn the intricaties of a large
complex system, and you can be certain that even if you manage to do so,
Chow Loong Jin hyper...@debian.org writes:
* But if it ever fails due to a bug within it, $DEITY help you, because
you're going to have to go through everything mentioned in your first
point here (save the issues with getting patches accepted)
Sometimes, debugging can be
Hello,
This blogpost is months old but it makes some interesting reflections:
http://www.pappp.net/?p=969
I wonder what's Debian position in regards to FLOS* vs Unix philosophy. Is
there one, at all? (I can't remember reading one, my apologies if this was
discussed and I have not noticed)
*
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 12:06:16PM +0100, Pau Garcia i Quiles wrote:
Hello,
This blogpost is months old but it makes some interesting reflections:
http://www.pappp.net/?p=969
It appears to be the most insightful thing about systemd vs the rest of the
world I've ever read. READ IT, FOLKS!
On Tue, 2013-01-22 at 14:41 +0100, Adam Borowski wrote:
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 12:06:16PM +0100, Pau Garcia i Quiles wrote:
Hello,
This blogpost is months old but it makes some interesting reflections:
http://www.pappp.net/?p=969
It appears to be the most insightful thing about
Le mardi 22 janvier 2013 à 14:57 +0100, Svante Signell a écrit :
Worthwhile to read, definitely.
Yet full of misinformation, like the idea that using D-Bus makes a
service less scriptable (while the reality is a complete opposite), or
that configuration files are less human-readable than shell
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 03:05:58PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le mardi 22 janvier 2013 à 14:57 +0100, Svante Signell a écrit :
Worthwhile to read, definitely.
Yet full of misinformation, like the idea that using D-Bus makes a
service less scriptable (while the reality is a complete
Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org writes:
Yet full of misinformation, like the idea that using D-Bus makes a
service less scriptable (while the reality is a complete opposite)
I was bit puzzled by this part too but I guess the author meant mostly
shell scripts here. If one uses e.g. python then
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org wrote:
Le mardi 22 janvier 2013 à 14:57 +0100, Svante Signell a écrit :
Worthwhile to read, definitely.
Yet full of misinformation, like the idea that using D-Bus makes a
service less scriptable (while the reality is a
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 03:05:58PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Yet full of misinformation, like the idea that using D-Bus makes a
service less scriptable (while the reality is a complete opposite), or
that configuration files are less human-readable than shell scripts.
My biggest complaint
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 12:06:16PM +0100, Pau Garcia i Quiles wrote:
Hello,
This blogpost is months old but it makes some interesting reflections:
http://www.pappp.net/?p=969
https://plus.google.com/u/0/115547683951727699051/posts/74r518xVUNH
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Le mardi 22 janvier 2013 à 14:57 +0100, Svante Signell a écrit :
Worthwhile to read, definitely.
Yet full of misinformation, like the idea that using D-Bus makes a service
less scriptable (while the reality is a complete opposite), or that
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