Re: Needed input from Australian users and developers:; choosing timezones for Australia in D-I

2011-03-25 Thread Christian PERRIER
Quoting Christian PERRIER (bubu...@debian.org): Hello, I need some help from Australian people. I finally settled for listing states. That seems to be the most unnderstandable option (including for foreigners who happen to arrive in AU). This will also be consistent with some other

Re: Needed input from Australian users and developers:; choosing timezones for Australia in D-I

2011-03-24 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 12:59:19PM +1100, Aníbal Monsalve Salazar wrote: Commonwealth Games. In Victoria we were on a different timezone to that of the folks in New South Wales. Not really relevant, but no we weren't. NSW changed too. Hamish -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Needed input from Australian users and developers:; choosing timezones for Australia in D-I

2011-03-24 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 12:28:18PM +1100, Ben Finney wrote: Christian PERRIER bubu...@debian.org writes: That's indeed insane..:-). Hobart (Tasmania), Melbourne (Victoria), Sydney (NSW) and Canberra (ACT) have the *exact* same time rules (including DST). But they didn't always; and with

Re: Needed input from Australian users and developers:; choosing timezones for Australia in D-I

2011-03-23 Thread Christian PERRIER
Quoting Paul Wise (p...@debian.org): I agree with the other Australians in the thread; the east-coast timezones are currently all the same but might not be in the future so we shouldn't rely on them being the same and we should allow selection of Australia/Sydney vs Australia/Melbourne. Sure.

Re: Needed input from Australian users and developers:; choosing timezones for Australia in D-I

2011-03-23 Thread Rick Thomas
On Mar 23, 2011, at 2:15 AM, Christian PERRIER wrote: I'm just not fond of Australia/Sydney presented as a choice, I'd rather have New South-Wales. For what it's worth, the timezone database (as evidenced by, among other things, the output of the tzselect command) is organized mostly in

Re: Needed input from Australian users and developers:; choosing timezones for Australia in D-I

2011-03-23 Thread Karl Goetz
On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 10:18:04 +0800 Paul Wise p...@debian.org wrote: this would only work for g-i not the text-based installer. The text-based installer could use the GNOME strategy of providing a search box to input your city/country and a list of possibly corresponding timezones/locales.

Re: Needed input from Australian users and developers:; choosing timezones for Australia in D-I

2011-03-23 Thread Karl Goetz
On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 07:15:20 +0100 Christian PERRIER bubu...@debian.org wrote: Quoting Paul Wise (p...@debian.org): I agree with the other Australians in the thread; the east-coast timezones are currently all the same but might not be in the future so we shouldn't rely on them being the

Re: Needed input from Australian users and developers:; choosing timezones for Australia in D-I

2011-03-23 Thread Karl Goetz
On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 12:28:18 +1100 Ben Finney ben+deb...@benfinney.id.au wrote: Christian PERRIER bubu...@debian.org writes: The timezone choice in D-I is supposed to be user-friendly and easy to understand for the average citizen of the said country. FWIW: the existing Australian

Re: Needed input from Australian users and developers:; choosing timezones for Australia in D-I

2011-03-23 Thread Joey Hess
Rick Thomas wrote: For what it's worth, the timezone database (as evidenced by, among other things, the output of the tzselect command) is organized mostly in terms of country/city rather than country/larger- geographical-area. This is also largely misunderstood, as often two cities with

Re: Needed input from Australian users and developers:; choosing timezones for Australia in D-I

2011-03-23 Thread Rick Thomas
On Mar 23, 2011, at 1:42 PM, Joey Hess wrote: Rick Thomas wrote: For what it's worth, the timezone database (as evidenced by, among other things, the output of the tzselect command) is organized mostly in terms of country/city rather than country/larger- geographical-area. This is also

Re: Needed input from Australian users and developers:; choosing timezones for Australia in D-I

2011-03-23 Thread Christian PERRIER
Quoting Ben Finney (ben+deb...@benfinney.id.au): Christian PERRIER bubu...@debian.org writes: I'm just not fond of Australia/Sydney presented as a choice, I'd rather have New South-Wales. (Regardless of what you choose, FYI it's “New South Wales”, no hyphen.) Sure. If I finally decide

Needed input from Australian users and developers:; choosing timezones for Australia in D-I

2011-03-22 Thread Christian PERRIER
Hello, I need some help from Australian people. Debian Installer includes (in tzsetup) a way to choose a timezone among multiple timezones, when users have picked a country that has more than one timezone. I'm currently working on this as things change constantly in such matters. As

Re: Needed input from Australian users and developers:; choosing timezones for Australia in D-I

2011-03-22 Thread Erik de Castro Lopo
Christian PERRIER wrote: I currently propose to offer the following choices in D-I: Victoria, ACT, NSW, Tasmania (Eastern Time, DST) Queensland (Eastern Time, no DST) South Australia (Central Time, DST) Northern Territory (Central Time, no DST) Western Australia (Western Time)

Re: Needed input from Australian users and developers:; choosing timezones for Australia in D-I

2011-03-22 Thread Alexander Zangerl
On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 19:54:05 +0100, Christian PERRIER writes: I currently propose to offer the following choices in D-I: Victoria, ACT, NSW, Tasmania (Eastern Time, DST) Queensland (Eastern Time, no DST) South Australia (Central Time, DST) Northern Territory (Central Time, no DST) Western

Re: Needed input from Australian users and developers:; choosing timezones for Australia in D-I

2011-03-22 Thread Paul Fraser
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 09:34, Alexander Zangerl a...@debian.org wrote: not so great, because these are very uncommon. for example, you never hear eastern time being used on the radio; here (qld/nsw border) they say it's hh:mm, that's hh+1:mm in nsw when we're in that fun period of the year

Re: Needed input from Australian users and developers:; choosing timezones for Australia in D-I

2011-03-22 Thread Ben Finney
Christian PERRIER bubu...@debian.org writes: The timezone choice in D-I is supposed to be user-friendly and easy to understand for the average citizen of the said country. FWIW: the existing Australian timezone choice in D-I seems fine from the point of view of the Australians I've seen do

Re: Needed input from Australian users and developers:; choosing timezones for Australia in D-I

2011-03-22 Thread Aníbal Monsalve Salazar
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 12:28:18PM +1100, Ben Finney wrote: Christian PERRIER bubu...@debian.org writes: [...] That's indeed insane..:-). Hobart (Tasmania), Melbourne (Victoria), Sydney (NSW) and Canberra (ACT) have the *exact* same time rules (including DST). But they didn't always; and with the

Re: Needed input from Australian users and developers:; choosing timezones for Australia in D-I

2011-03-22 Thread Paul Wise
I agree with the other Australians in the thread; the east-coast timezones are currently all the same but might not be in the future so we shouldn't rely on them being the same and we should allow selection of Australia/Sydney vs Australia/Melbourne. I would suggest doing what Ubuntu do for

Re: Needed input from Australian users and developers:; choosing timezones for Australia in D-I

2011-03-22 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 10:18:04AM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: I agree with the other Australians in the thread; the east-coast timezones are currently all the same but might not be in the future so we shouldn't rely on them being the same and we should allow selection of Australia/Sydney vs