On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 01:34:42PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le vendredi 19 février 2010 à 13:02 +0100, Wouter Verhelst a écrit :
> > The fact that Gnome doesn't show the Debian menu (thereby requiring me
> > to either find that mythical option somewhere which would enable it, or
> > to manu
Le vendredi 19 février 2010 à 13:02 +0100, Wouter Verhelst a écrit :
> The fact that Gnome doesn't show the Debian menu (thereby requiring me
> to either find that mythical option somewhere which would enable it, or
> to manually start the application) is one of the reasons I'm not using
> gnome.
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 01:54:43PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le lundi 15 février 2010 à 13:10 +0100, Andreas Tille a écrit :
> > > The problem is not to implement this; it already exists. The problem is
> > > that maintainers don???t fill these fields properly. I mean, even KDE
> > > develop
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 12:30:01PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> The layout sucks: a good menu is hard to do because it must not be too
> deep (too many clicks/movements to reach an application) nor too crowded
> (too many applications in one submenu). The Debian menu is an
> achievement in fail
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 09:32:39AM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le lundi 15 février 2010 à 08:54 +0100, Andreas Tille a écrit :
> > IMHO the best solution to this (unavoidable) problem is to enable a
> > configuration feature controled by some kind of priority tag in the
> > desktop files. Thi
Le mardi 16 février 2010 à 08:15 +0900, Charles Plessy a écrit :
> to achieve this reasonnable default, the maintainers of programs with a menu
> entry need some instructions whether they should hide their entry in the major
> desktop managers like GNOME, KDE and Xfce.
Add the relevant snippets to
Le Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 01:54:43PM +0100, Josselin Mouette a écrit :
>
> No one needs a menu with 200 applications, because such a menu is not usable.
> What users need is a reasonable default selection and the ability to re-add
> applications that are hidden by default.
Hi Josselin,
to achieve
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 10:36 PM, Darren Salt
wrote:
>> The freedesktop.org specification does not impose a layout. You are
>> probably talking about the KDE, GNOME or Xfce menu.
>
> Hmm? I was under the impression that they all included the same
> auto-generated file...
He is referring to the f
I demand that Josselin Mouette may or may not have written...
> Le lundi 15 février 2010 à 13:40 +, Darren Salt a écrit :
>> [snip]
>>> The layout sucks: a good menu is hard to do because it must not be too
>>> deep (too many clicks/movements to reach an application) nor too
>>> crowded (too m
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 01:54:43PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > So we need to fire up reportbug, right?
>
> Hint: filing bugs doesn???t guarantee they will be fixed.
H, yes. Thanks for the reminder. :-(
> > No I mean a simple on of switch between "Show all entries" / "Show
> > reduced
On Mon, 2010-02-15 at 15:13 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le lundi 15 février 2010 à 13:40 +, Darren Salt a écrit :
> > [snip]
> > > The layout sucks: a good menu is hard to do because it must not be too
> > > deep
> > > (too many clicks/movements to reach an application) nor too crowded (t
Le lundi 15 février 2010 à 13:40 +, Darren Salt a écrit :
> [snip]
> > The layout sucks: a good menu is hard to do because it must not be too deep
> > (too many clicks/movements to reach an application) nor too crowded (too
> > many applications in one submenu). The Debian menu is an achievemen
I demand that Josselin Mouette may or may not have written...
[snip]
> The layout sucks: a good menu is hard to do because it must not be too deep
> (too many clicks/movements to reach an application) nor too crowded (too
> many applications in one submenu). The Debian menu is an achievement in
>
Le lundi 15 février 2010 à 13:10 +0100, Andreas Tille a écrit :
> > The problem is not to implement this; it already exists. The problem is
> > that maintainers don???t fill these fields properly. I mean, even KDE
> > developers don???t.
>
> So we need to fire up reportbug, right?
Hint: filing bu
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 09:32:39AM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > IMHO the best solution to this (unavoidable) problem is to enable a
> > configuration feature controled by some kind of priority tag in the
> > desktop files. This should say something like "display me on Gnome",
> > "display me
Le lundi 15 février 2010 à 10:17 +0100, Petter Reinholdtsen a écrit :
> [Josselin Mouette]
> > The problem is not to implement this; it already exists. The problem
> > is that maintainers don’t fill these fields properly. I mean, even
> > KDE developers don’t.
>
> Is there some documentation on th
[Josselin Mouette]
> The problem is not to implement this; it already exists. The problem
> is that maintainers don’t fill these fields properly. I mean, even
> KDE developers don’t.
Is there some documentation on the web on how to fill inn these fields
properly?
> Certainly not. The original me
Le lundi 15 février 2010 à 08:54 +0100, Andreas Tille a écrit :
> > Personally, I prefer the Debian menu because I can find here all
> > software on my machine. I use the menu the find a application.
> > Applications I often use have a icon, so the Gnome selection is useless
> > for me. I underst
On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 09:15:36PM +0100, Vincent Danjean wrote:
> The main objection is that gnome/kde maintainers do not want to see
> all installed applications in their FreeDesktop menu.
> ...
> Personally, I prefer the Debian menu because I can find here all
> software on my machine. I use
On 14/02/2010 10:44, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
Personally, I believe this is a good idea, as the current situation
with two partly integrated menu systems is confusing for both
maintainers and users.
For what I remember, the problem is not technical (the format of entry
menu). As said before,
* Petter Reinholdtsen [100214 10:45]:
> If we are to believe
> http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Howto/MenuMigrationToXDG >,
> it is possible to migrate from Debian menu files to XDG desktop files
> and still get working and useful menus for the following window
> managers: WindowMaker, fvwm
[Frank Küster]
> By the way, one thing you'll learn is to use terms that everyone
> understands without problems, and that not everyone is using a
> "Desktop envirnoment". In my window manager, there's only one menu,
> and that's the Debian one.
If we are to believe
http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/D
On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 3:51 AM, Frank Küster wrote:
> Please read the archives. That has been discussed over and over. By the
> way, one thing you'll learn is to use terms that everyone understands
> without problems, and that not everyone is using a "Desktop
> envirnoment". In my window manag
Andreas Marschke wrote:
>> Personally I think we should have gotten rid of the Debian menu years
>> ago, I don't think my opinion is shared by many people in Debian
>> though.
>>
>
> It is truely kind of doubled effort to have the debian menu extra to the
> actual
> menu. The question is who w
Le mardi 08 décembre 2009 à 11:30 -0600, Manoj Srivastava a écrit :
> Whoever does the work to implement the replacement menu
> infrastructure in all the places that the Debian menu is
> implemented. And also helps flush out all the entries missing from the
> xdg menu which are in the Debian on
Manoj Srivastava writes:
> Whoever does the work to implement the replacement menu
> infrastructure in all the places that the Debian menu is
> implemented. And also helps flush out all the entries missing from the
> xdg menu which are in the Debian one.
I think this would be excellen
On Tue, Dec 08 2009, Andreas Marschke wrote:
>> Personally I think we should have gotten rid of the Debian menu years
>> ago, I don't think my opinion is shared by many people in Debian
>> though.
>>
>
> It is truely kind of doubled effort to have the debian menu extra to
> the actual menu. The q
I demand that Andreas Marschke may or may not have written...
>> Personally I think we should have gotten rid of the Debian menu years
>> ago, I don't think my opinion is shared by many people in Debian though.
> It is truly kind of doubled effort to have the debian menu extra to the
> actual me
> Personally I think we should have gotten rid of the Debian menu years
> ago, I don't think my opinion is shared by many people in Debian
> though.
>
It is truely kind of doubled effort to have the debian menu extra to the actual
menu. The question is who will step forward and propose the remov
Le mardi 08 décembre 2009 à 08:29 +0800, Paul Wise a écrit :
> LXDE is a new desktop I guess the maintainers have not yet had time to
> add support for the Debian menu (see #517190 for more). Here is a
> thread about it too:
>
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/02/thrd2.html#00809
Since
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 12:50 AM, Andreas Marschke
wrote:
> I haven't had the freedesktop.org in mind at the time of writing it but yes it
> is infact a reason to do this as well.
> The bug is filed and should be open for broader discussion soon.
You should have chosen wishlist severity for the b
Am Montag 07 Dezember 2009 04:35:30 schrieb Paul Wise:
> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 3:34 AM, Andreas Marschke
wrote:
> > I'm hereby proposing an additional Category for this list of such
> > applications called Multimedia. This defines clearer what they are.
>
> Sounds reasonable to me, this would b
On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 3:34 AM, Andreas Marschke wrote:
> I'm hereby proposing an additional Category for this list of such applications
> called Multimedia. This defines clearer what they are.
Sounds reasonable to me, this would bring the Debian menu closer to
the FreeDesktop menu, which has Au
Hi,
I was pointed to
http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/menu-policy/ch2.html
as I had an issue with an application categorized as Sound though it did video
and pictures, too.
I found that there was no entry for Multimedia but for Applications/Sound and
Applications/Video which is ra
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