Re: New virtual packages: lv2-plugin and lv2-host

2012-11-21 Thread Vincent Danjean
Le 21/11/2012 17:48, Ian Jackson a écrit : >> Although I'd agree that defining a new lv2-plugin would not be needed, >> making LV2 plugins packages Depend/Recommend a generic lv2-host >> package would seriously help as it allows maintainers to avoid to fill >> up Depends: fields with long and incom

Re: New virtual packages: lv2-plugin and lv2-host

2012-11-21 Thread Jon Dowland
On 21 Nov 2012, at 17:27, Russ Allbery wrote: > don't know if Ian is, but I certainly would. We have a bunch of > existing virtual packages that aren't really useful because they don't > offer any sort of guaranteed interface, and therefore cannot be > meaningfully used in package relationships

Re: New virtual packages: lv2-plugin and lv2-host

2012-11-21 Thread Simon McVittie
On 21/11/12 17:27, Russ Allbery wrote: > Without that, it's questionable whether the > virtual package serves any purpose, and indeed you'll find that the CD > ripping packages in Debian don't reference mp3-encoder ... and perhaps more tellingly, only one package Provides it, and that package isn'

Re: New virtual packages: lv2-plugin and lv2-host

2012-11-21 Thread Russ Allbery
Alessio Treglia writes: > Why tightening up rules? Policy §3.6 does not pretend packages to meet > any specs nor comply with common interfaces, it just says "Sometimes > there are several packages which offer more-or-less the same > functionality. In this case, it's useful to define a virtual pac

Re: New virtual packages: lv2-plugin and lv2-host

2012-11-21 Thread Russ Allbery
Jonas Smedegaard writes: > It seems to me that you are applying more strict rules now than has been > applied to other names on the list in the past. I don't know if Ian is, but I certainly would. We have a bunch of existing virtual packages that aren't really useful because they don't offer an

Re: New virtual packages: lv2-plugin and lv2-host

2012-11-21 Thread Ian Jackson
Alessio Treglia writes ("Re: New virtual packages: lv2-plugin and lv2-host"): > On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Ian Jackson > wrote: > > So I'm afraid I still don't understand how this virtual package would > > help improve the dependency resolution. >

Re: New virtual packages: lv2-plugin and lv2-host

2012-11-21 Thread Alessio Treglia
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Ian Jackson wrote: > So I'm afraid I still don't understand how this virtual package would > help improve the dependency resolution. Although I'd agree that defining a new lv2-plugin would not be needed, making LV2 plugins packages Depend/Recommend a generic lv2-h

Re: New virtual packages: lv2-plugin and lv2-host

2012-11-21 Thread Daniel Hartwig
On 21 November 2012 22:51, Alessio Treglia wrote: > Actually I receive lots of mails from users asking me questions like "How > could > I find an exhaustive list of LV2 toys currently provided by Debian?", "Does > the > X sequencer support LV2 plugins?". So, I think we'd do a good service to our

Re: New virtual packages: lv2-plugin and lv2-host

2012-11-21 Thread Ian Jackson
> Why tightening up rules? Policy =C2=A73.6 does not pretend packages > to meet= any specs nor comply with common interfaces, it just says > "Sometimes there are severa= l packages which offer more-or-less the > same functionality. In this case, it'= s useful to define a virtual > package whose nam

Re: New virtual packages: lv2-plugin and lv2-host

2012-11-21 Thread Alessio Treglia
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 12:40 PM, Ian Jackson wrote: > I guess you are thinking that LV2 plugin packages would Recommend or > Depend on lv2-host ? Yes, exactly. > But I don't think that's really helpful. > Perhaps lv2-host should specify something more definite, like "can > access the following

Re: New virtual packages: lv2-plugin and lv2-host

2012-11-21 Thread Ian Jackson
Jonas Smedegaard writes ("Re: New virtual packages: lv2-plugin and lv2-host"): > It seems to me that you are applying more strict rules now than has been > applied to other names on the list in the past. This is not some kind of hazing ritual where people have to persuade a re

Re: New virtual packages: lv2-plugin and lv2-host

2012-11-21 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Ian Jackson (2012-11-21 13:40:35) > Alessio Treglia writes ("Re: New virtual packages: lv2-plugin and lv2-host"): > > On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Ian Jackson > > wrote: > > > And an lv2-host could include something which can use only p

Re: New virtual packages: lv2-plugin and lv2-host

2012-11-21 Thread Ian Jackson
Alessio Treglia writes ("Re: New virtual packages: lv2-plugin and lv2-host"): > On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Ian Jackson > wrote: > > And an lv2-host could include something which can use only plugins > > with certain features. > > Altough dillo doesn

Re: New virtual packages: lv2-plugin and lv2-host

2012-11-20 Thread Alessio Treglia
Hi Ian, thanks for the quick reply! On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Ian Jackson wrote: > An lv2-plugin could be almost anything AFAICT, so depending on "some > LV2 plugin" is not very useful. > > And an lv2-host could include something which can use only plugins > with certain features. Altoug

Re: New virtual packages: lv2-plugin and lv2-host

2012-11-20 Thread Ian Jackson
Alessio Treglia writes ("New virtual packages: lv2-plugin and lv2-host"): > virtual-package-list.txt.gz [1] says: > >1. Post to debian-devel saying what names you intend to use or what > other changes you wish to make, and file a wish list bug against the >

New virtual packages: lv2-plugin and lv2-host

2012-11-20 Thread Alessio Treglia
Hi everybody, virtual-package-list.txt.gz [1] says: 1. Post to debian-devel saying what names you intend to use or what other changes you wish to make, and file a wish list bug against the package debian-policy. So, here is my proposal: --- debian-policy-3.9.4.0/virtual-package-n