Not-so-mass bug filing for the patented IDEA algorithm

2007-04-10 Thread Florian Weimer
I plan to file a couple of bugs (not too many, probably a dozen) on packages which contain implementations of the patented IDEA algorithm -- because the presence of that code makes them non-free. As far as I know, no program in Debian actually uses this code, it's just inherited from upstream

Re: Not-so-mass bug filing for the patented IDEA algorithm

2007-04-10 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Tue, Apr 10, 2007 at 09:09:23AM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: I plan to file a couple of bugs (not too many, probably a dozen) on packages which contain implementations of the patented IDEA algorithm -- because the presence of that code makes them non-free. because ? I fail to see the

Re: Not-so-mass bug filing for the patented IDEA algorithm

2007-04-10 Thread Florian Weimer
* Pierre Habouzit: On Tue, Apr 10, 2007 at 09:09:23AM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: I plan to file a couple of bugs (not too many, probably a dozen) on packages which contain implementations of the patented IDEA algorithm -- because the presence of that code makes them non-free. because ?

Re: Not-so-mass bug filing for the patented IDEA algorithm

2007-04-10 Thread Bas Zoetekouw
Hi Florian! You wrote: I plan to file a couple of bugs (not too many, probably a dozen) on packages which contain implementations of the patented IDEA algorithm -- because the presence of that code makes them non-free. As far as I know, no program in Debian actually uses this code, it's

Re: Not-so-mass bug filing for the patented IDEA algorithm

2007-04-10 Thread Francesco P. Lovergine
On Tue, Apr 10, 2007 at 09:09:23AM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: I plan to file a couple of bugs (not too many, probably a dozen) on packages which contain implementations of the patented IDEA algorithm -- because the presence of that code makes them non-free. As far as I know, no program in

Re: Not-so-mass bug filing for the patented IDEA algorithm

2007-04-10 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Apr 10, Florian Weimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I plan to file a couple of bugs (not too many, probably a dozen) on packages which contain implementations of the patented IDEA algorithm -- because the presence of that code makes them non-free. As far as I know, no program in Debian

Re: Not-so-mass bug filing for the patented IDEA algorithm

2007-04-10 Thread Neil Williams
On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:17:13 +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco d'Itri) wrote: On Apr 10, Florian Weimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I plan to file a couple of bugs (not too many, probably a dozen) on packages which contain implementations of the patented IDEA algorithm -- because the presence

Re: Not-so-mass bug filing for the patented IDEA algorithm

2007-04-10 Thread Florian Weimer
* Neil Williams: Which are the offending libraries? Botan, Crypto++, BouncyCastle, a few Perl-related packages. Is this mass-bug-filing intended to be against the applications that link against the libraries or just the offending libraries themselves? Just the libraries. Debian's crypto

Re: Not-so-mass bug filing for the patented IDEA algorithm

2007-04-10 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Tue, Apr 10, 2007 at 03:01:41PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: * Neil Williams: Which are the offending libraries? Botan, Crypto++, BouncyCastle, a few Perl-related packages. Openssl's README.Debian contains: Some algorithms used in the library are covered by patents. As a result, the

Re: Not-so-mass bug filing for the patented IDEA algorithm

2007-04-10 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Apr 10, 2007 at 01:51:13PM +0100, Neil Williams wrote: IANAL, but being open source, a patent lawyer would probably try to claim that distributing the code ALLOWS the infringement of the patent as if that makes Debian complicit in the infringement. Er, by definition a patent is

Re: Not-so-mass bug filing for the patented IDEA algorithm

2007-04-10 Thread Matthias Julius
Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Er, by definition a patent is supposed to include a complete description of the invention that would permit a third-party to reimplement the invention, in exchange for granting the inventor exclusive rights to the invention for a limited time. Would

Re: Not-so-mass bug filing for the patented IDEA algorithm

2007-04-10 Thread Ben Hutchings
[Cc'd to debian-legal in the hope of some informed comment.] On Tue, 2007-04-10 at 14:53 -0400, Matthias Julius wrote: Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Er, by definition a patent is supposed to include a complete description of the invention that would permit a third-party to

Re: Not-so-mass bug filing for the patented IDEA algorithm

2007-04-10 Thread Florian Weimer
* Kurt Roeckx: As far as I understand, they have been disabled because at that time, it seems we only cared about using those, not about distributing them. Disabling it and telling users the reason in the package documentation is sufficient, I guess. Is there consensus that we shouldn't ship

Re: Not-so-mass bug filing for the patented IDEA algorithm

2007-04-10 Thread Matthias Julius
Ben Hutchings [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There is an argument that source code can only be a description whereas a binary is an implementation, so only distributing binaries that include the claimed invention could infringe. I'm not sure whether this has been legally tested. If this holds