Re: Plan to release a gplv3 compliant debian-based release

2013-07-06 Thread Philipp Kern
On 2013-07-05 17:38, Uoti Urpala wrote: The reason I replied wasn't so much to comment on the historical licensing of the kernel (it's old enough to not matter much now anyway), but to comment on the legal argument that was the core of Linus's post you linked to. He claimed that including the

Re: Plan to release a gplv3 compliant debian-based release

2013-07-06 Thread The Wanderer
On 07/06/2013 02:14 AM, Philipp Kern wrote: On 2013-07-05 17:38, Uoti Urpala wrote: The reason I replied wasn't so much to comment on the historical licensing of the kernel (it's old enough to not matter much now anyway), but to comment on the legal argument that was the core of Linus's

Re: Plan to release a gplv3 compliant debian-based release

2013-07-05 Thread David Weinehall
On Fri, Jul 05, 2013 at 01:08:27AM +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: On 07/05/2013 12:58 AM, Jakub Wilk wrote: * David Weinehall t...@debian.org, 2013-07-04, 16:36: http://lkml.org/lkml/2006/1/25/273 http://lkml.org/lkml/2006/1/30/100 Could you be a bit more elaborate please? I

Re: Plan to release a gplv3 compliant debian-based release

2013-07-05 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On 07/05/2013 02:07 PM, David Weinehall wrote: So, that's Linus's stand on whether or not a GPLv3 kernel is feasible. I hope this totally pointless thread can die now. Thanks for extracting the relevant parts. I guess I was just way too tired yesterday to start diving into the posting on LKML

Re: Plan to release a gplv3 compliant debian-based release

2013-07-05 Thread Uoti Urpala
David Weinehall wrote: OK, I'll instead quote what Linus wrote in the link I posted: The version 2 of the License, or (at your option) any later version language in the GPL copying file is not - and has never been - part of the actual License itself. It's part of the As far

Re: Plan to release a gplv3 compliant debian-based release

2013-07-05 Thread Svante Signell
On Fri, 2013-07-05 at 16:14 +0300, Uoti Urpala wrote: David Weinehall wrote: OK, I'll instead quote what Linus wrote in the link I posted: The version 2 of the License, or (at your option) any later version language in the GPL copying file is not - and has never been - part

Re: Plan to release a gplv3 compliant debian-based release

2013-07-05 Thread Michael Banck
Hi, On Fri, Jul 05, 2013 at 04:28:13PM +0200, Svante Signell wrote: On Fri, 2013-07-05 at 16:14 +0300, Uoti Urpala wrote: Since this discussion took place in 2006, the Linux as a whole would probably be too old to be intersting. However, there are big chunks of current code having the 'or (at

Re: Creating a list of GPLv2+ code in GNU/Linux, etc. Was: Plan to release a gplv3 compliant debian-based release

2013-07-05 Thread Svante Signell
On Fri, 2013-07-05 at 16:31 +0200, Michael Banck wrote: Hi, On Fri, Jul 05, 2013 at 04:28:13PM +0200, Svante Signell wrote: On Fri, 2013-07-05 at 16:14 +0300, Uoti Urpala wrote: Since this discussion took place in 2006, the Linux as a whole would probably be too old to be intersting.

Re: Plan to release a gplv3 compliant debian-based release

2013-07-05 Thread David Weinehall
On Fri, Jul 05, 2013 at 04:14:57PM +0300, Uoti Urpala wrote: [snip] a post from Alan Cox explaining this. I don't see why you would post your link again in full quote after that without explaining why you still thought Linus wasn't wrong. I posted it fully because the parent I responded to

Re: Plan to release a gplv3 compliant debian-based release

2013-07-05 Thread The Wanderer
On 07/05/2013 12:24 PM, David Weinehall wrote: On Fri, Jul 05, 2013 at 04:14:57PM +0300, Uoti Urpala wrote: [snip] a post from Alan Cox explaining this. I don't see why you would post your link again in full quote after that without explaining why you still thought Linus wasn't wrong. I

Re: Plan to release a gplv3 compliant debian-based release

2013-07-05 Thread Philip Hands
Svante Signell svante.sign...@gmail.com writes: On Fri, 2013-07-05 at 16:14 +0300, Uoti Urpala wrote: David Weinehall wrote: OK, I'll instead quote what Linus wrote in the link I posted: The version 2 of the License, or (at your option) any later version language in the GPL

Re: Plan to release a gplv3 compliant debian-based release

2013-07-05 Thread Uoti Urpala
David Weinehall wrote: On Fri, Jul 05, 2013 at 04:14:57PM +0300, Uoti Urpala wrote: [snip] a post from Alan Cox explaining this. I don't see why you would post your link again in full quote after that without explaining why you still thought Linus wasn't wrong. I posted it fully because

Re: Plan to release a gplv3 compliant debian-based release

2013-07-04 Thread David Weinehall
On Wed, Jul 03, 2013 at 09:17:48PM +0200, Svante Signell wrote: On Tue, 2013-07-02 at 15:32 -0700, John H. Robinson, IV wrote: Svante Signell wrote: I've been thinking about this for some time now. There is a need for a gplv3+-compliant Debian-based distribution! Meaning that gplv2

Re: Plan to release a gplv3 compliant debian-based release

2013-07-04 Thread Jakub Wilk
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Re: Plan to release a gplv3 compliant debian-based release

2013-07-04 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On 07/05/2013 12:58 AM, Jakub Wilk wrote: * David Weinehall t...@debian.org, 2013-07-04, 16:36: http://lkml.org/lkml/2006/1/25/273 http://lkml.org/lkml/2006/1/30/100 Could you be a bit more elaborate please? I don't think we should just spam this list by just sending mails containing URLs

Re: Plan to release a gplv3 compliant debian-based release

2013-07-03 Thread Svante Signell
On Tue, 2013-07-02 at 15:32 -0700, John H. Robinson, IV wrote: Svante Signell wrote: I've been thinking about this for some time now. There is a need for a gplv3+-compliant Debian-based distribution! Meaning that gplv2 only code will not be included! For kernels, kFreeBSD and Hurd will

Re: Plan to release a gplv3 compliant debian-based release

2013-07-03 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On 07/03/2013 09:17 PM, Svante Signell wrote: The interesting thing is not when Linus used the GPL license the first time, it was v2 by then. Of crucial interest is when Linus changed from v2 or later to v2 only. And looking at the source code, e.g. 3.9.8, a very lot of files are still v2+, not

Re: Plan to release a gplv3 compliant debian-based release

2013-07-03 Thread Michael Banck
On Tue, Jul 02, 2013 at 03:32:00PM -0700, John H. Robinson, IV wrote: Svante Signell wrote: I've been thinking about this for some time now. There is a need for a gplv3+-compliant Debian-based distribution! Meaning that gplv2 only code will not be included! For kernels, kFreeBSD and Hurd

Plan to release a gplv3 compliant debian-based release

2013-07-02 Thread Svante Signell
Hi, I've been thinking about this for some time now. There is a need for a gplv3+-compliant Debian-based distribution! Meaning that gplv2 only code will not be included! For kernels, kFreeBSD and Hurd will remain, and Linux will be several years back of course. Anybody has an idea on how old

Re: Plan to release a gplv3 compliant debian-based release

2013-07-02 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Tue, Jul 02, 2013 at 10:24:40PM +0200, Svante Signell wrote: Hi, I've been thinking about this for some time now. There is a need for a gplv3+-compliant Debian-based distribution! Meaning that gplv2 only code will not be included! For kernels, kFreeBSD and Hurd will remain, and Linux

Re: Plan to release a gplv3 compliant debian-based release

2013-07-02 Thread Samuel Thibault
Svante Signell, le Tue 02 Jul 2013 22:24:40 +0200, a écrit : I've been thinking about this for some time now. There is a need for a gplv3+-compliant Debian-based distribution! I don't see why there should be such a need. By Debian's standards GPLv2 is GFDL-compliant. Samuek -- To

Re: Plan to release a gplv3 compliant debian-based release

2013-07-02 Thread Samuel Thibault
Samuel Thibault, le Tue 02 Jul 2013 22:29:46 +0200, a écrit : Svante Signell, le Tue 02 Jul 2013 22:24:40 +0200, a écrit : I've been thinking about this for some time now. There is a need for a gplv3+-compliant Debian-based distribution! I don't see why there should be such a need. By

Re: Plan to release a gplv3 compliant debian-based release

2013-07-02 Thread Svante Signell
On Tue, 2013-07-02 at 21:29 +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: On Tue, Jul 02, 2013 at 10:24:40PM +0200, Svante Signell wrote: Hi, I've been thinking about this for some time now. There is a need for a gplv3+-compliant Debian-based distribution! Meaning that gplv2 only code will not be

Re: Plan to release a gplv3 compliant debian-based release

2013-07-02 Thread Russ Allbery
Svante Signell svante.sign...@gmail.com writes: Sorry Ben, I'm serious about this. GPLv2 is evil wrt progress, and I still would like to know how many years Linux would back until the first V2 only statement. Of course you cannot answer this question, but maybe somebody else. It's not just

Re: Plan to release a gplv3 compliant debian-based release

2013-07-02 Thread John H. Robinson, IV
Svante Signell wrote: I've been thinking about this for some time now. There is a need for a gplv3+-compliant Debian-based distribution! Meaning that gplv2 only code will not be included! For kernels, kFreeBSD and Hurd will remain, and Linux will be several years back of course. Anybody has

Re: Plan to release a gplv3 compliant debian-based release

2013-07-02 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jul 02, Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk wrote: You're slipping. Your trolling used to be way more subtle. I do not think that Svante has ever been trolling. -- ciao, Marco signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Plan to release a gplv3 compliant debian-based release

2013-07-02 Thread Craig Small
On Wed, Jul 03, 2013 at 01:16:04AM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: On Jul 02, Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk wrote: You're slipping. Your trolling used to be way more subtle. I do not think that Svante has ever been trolling. My initial thought was WTF but Ben's email seem to make it all