Re: Please Improve Debian for Multimedia Production

2009-03-27 Thread Grammostola Rosea
Kushal Koolwal wrote: About 6 months back I had done some extensive benchmarking on real-time kernels applying RT patch to Debian stock kernel on x86 architecture. I read about call for help in maintaining,testing debian rt kernel here: http://marc.info/?l=linux-rt-usersm=123808104027590w=2 I

Re: Please Improve Debian for Multimedia Production

2009-03-26 Thread Adrian Knoth
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 09:05:32PM +0100, Grammostola Rosea wrote: The problem is an realtime kernel and a proper configuration for music production. Without that, you better stay away from music production Not really. I absolutely have no problems with CONFIG_PREEMPT, dynticks, ondemand

Re: Please Improve Debian for Multimedia Production

2009-03-26 Thread Cassiel
Hi 2009/3/26 Adrian Knoth a...@drcomp.erfurt.thur.de On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 09:05:32PM +0100, Grammostola Rosea wrote: The problem is an realtime kernel and a proper configuration for music production. Without that, you better stay away from music production Not really. I absolutely

Re: Please Improve Debian for Multimedia Production

2009-03-26 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
I'm trying to follow this thread, but I'm not sure everybody here even using the same terminology. On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 02:01:22PM +0100, Cassiel wrote: Hi 2009/3/26 Adrian Knoth a...@drcomp.erfurt.thur.de On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 09:05:32PM +0100, Grammostola Rosea wrote: The

Re: Please Improve Debian for Multimedia Production

2009-03-26 Thread Cassiel
2009/3/26 Tzafrir Cohen tzaf...@cohens.org.il I'm trying to follow this thread, but I'm not sure everybody here even using the same terminology. On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 02:01:22PM +0100, Cassiel wrote: Hi 2009/3/26 Adrian Knoth a...@drcomp.erfurt.thur.de On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at

Re: Please Improve Debian for Multimedia Production

2009-03-26 Thread Grammostola Rosea
Cassiel wrote: 2009/3/26 Tzafrir Cohen tzaf...@cohens.org.il mailto:tzaf...@cohens.org.il I'm trying to follow this thread, but I'm not sure everybody here even using the same terminology. On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 02:01:22PM +0100, Cassiel wrote: Hi 2009/3/26

Re: Please Improve Debian for Multimedia Production

2009-03-26 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 03:08:07PM +0100, Cassiel wrote: When talking about RT kernel only one patch comes into play -- http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/projects/rt/ That's a huge patch. Any idea how much effort would it take to integrae it into the existing Debian linux-2.6 package?

Re: Please Improve Debian for Multimedia Production

2009-03-26 Thread Cassiel
2009/3/26 Tzafrir Cohen tzaf...@cohens.org.il On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 03:08:07PM +0100, Cassiel wrote: When talking about RT kernel only one patch comes into play -- http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/projects/rt/ That's a huge patch. Any idea how much effort would it take to

Re: Please Improve Debian for Multimedia Production

2009-03-26 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Thu, 26 Mar 2009, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: Any idea how much effort would it take to integrae it into the existing Debian linux-2.6 package? Zero chance. The RT kernel is no plaything. The RT changes are being slowly fed to the mainline Linux kernel, but due to the complexity, it is an ongoing

Re: Please Improve Debian for Multimedia Production

2009-03-26 Thread Giacomo A. Catenazzi
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: On Thu, 26 Mar 2009, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: Any idea how much effort would it take to integrae it into the existing Debian linux-2.6 package? Zero chance. The RT kernel is no plaything. The RT changes are being slowly fed to the mainline Linux kernel, but

Re: Please Improve Debian for Multimedia Production

2009-03-26 Thread Cassiel
2009/3/26 Giacomo A. Catenazzi c...@debian.org Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: On Thu, 26 Mar 2009, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: Any idea how much effort would it take to integrae it into the existing Debian linux-2.6 package? Zero chance. The RT kernel is no plaything. The RT changes are

RE: Please Improve Debian for Multimedia Production

2009-03-26 Thread Kushal Koolwal
About 6 months back I had done some extensive benchmarking on real-time kernels applying RT patch to Debian stock kernel on x86 architecture. I read about call for help in maintaining,testing debian rt kernel here: http://marc.info/?l=linux-rt-usersm=123808104027590w=2 I will be glad to offer

Re: Please Improve Debian for Multimedia Production

2009-03-25 Thread Felipe Sateler
Andreas Tille wrote: After reading the documentation, I still don't know if a blend is useful for us. Blends seem to be some kind of cooler tasks, is that true? Well, the terminology was taken over from tasksel at some former point in time - but it is a little bit more. Could you elaborate

why is Ardour pretty outdated in stable and not in testing? (was Re: Please Improve Debian for Multimedia Production)

2009-03-25 Thread Grammostola Rosea
Hi, Now we're talking about improving Debian for multimedia, realtime kernels and the like, I thought let's make some work on more things to overcome some dissadvantages of Debian for audio production compared to other distro's. Why is such a core app and also beautiful app as Ardour is,

Re: why is Ardour pretty outdated in stable and not in testing? (was Re: Please Improve Debian for Multimedia Production)

2009-03-25 Thread Julien Cristau
On Wed, 2009-03-25 at 12:58 +0100, Grammostola Rosea wrote: Why is such a core app and also beautiful app as Ardour is, not even in Debian stable or testing? This is a big problem imo and it should be solved as soon as possible. I can't imagine that there is a real problem, cause I know

Re: Please Improve Debian for Multimedia Production

2009-03-25 Thread Andreas Tille
On Wed, 25 Mar 2009, Felipe Sateler wrote: Could you elaborate a bit? From what I gather (after reading the docs and skipping through the pages you have referenced), all I see are tasks (enhanced with metapackages with Recommends), and a nice web frontend. I'm pretty sure I'm missing something

Re: why is Ardour pretty outdated in stable and not in testing? (was Re: Please Improve Debian for Multimedia Production)

2009-03-25 Thread Vincent Danjean
Grammostola Rosea wrote: I read this on the Debian multimedia mailinglist: Unfortunately lenny was already freezed by that time, and although both of the above updates were really safe (IMO) and despite all the efforts I and especially Reinhard put into convincing the release managers, we are

Re: why is Ardour pretty outdated in stable and not in testing? (was Re: Please Improve Debian for Multimedia Production)

2009-03-25 Thread Cassiel
2009/3/25 Julien Cristau jcris...@debian.org On Wed, 2009-03-25 at 12:58 +0100, Grammostola Rosea wrote: Why is such a core app and also beautiful app as Ardour is, not even in Debian stable or testing? This is a big problem imo and it should be solved as soon as possible. I can't imagine

Re: Please Improve Debian for Multimedia Production

2009-03-25 Thread Grammostola Rosea
taste they need to be informed what to choose from. It's like a restaurant where you choose from a menu. Currently we are lacking a complete multimedia menu in Debian. An menu entry for multimedia sounds good to me (Ubuntu has an menu entry for 'multimedia production:

Re: Please Improve Debian for Multimedia Production

2009-03-25 Thread Andreas Tille
On Wed, 25 Mar 2009, Grammostola Rosea wrote: taste they need to be informed what to choose from. It's like a restaurant where you choose from a menu. Currently we are lacking a complete multimedia menu in Debian. An menu entry for multimedia sounds good to me (Ubuntu has an menu entry for

Re: Please Improve Debian for Multimedia Production

2009-03-25 Thread Grammostola Rosea
Andreas Tille wrote: On Wed, 25 Mar 2009, Grammostola Rosea wrote: taste they need to be informed what to choose from. It's like a restaurant where you choose from a menu. Currently we are lacking a complete multimedia menu in Debian. An menu entry for multimedia sounds good to me (Ubuntu

Re: Please Improve Debian for Multimedia Production

2009-03-25 Thread Andreas Tille
On Wed, 25 Mar 2009, Grammostola Rosea wrote: Nothing against this but I used the term menu in a different than this technical meaning. I hope this became clear in my mail. That was clear, but it bumped up a old idea I had in my head ;) Please take that idea serious... To whom do you

realtime kernel for Debian (was: Please Improve Debian for Multimedia Production)

2009-03-24 Thread Grammostola Rosea
Jim wrote: Grammostola Rosea, I want also to direct your attention to the kernel, as it has the possibility to be more supportive of those specific needs, by having low latency and real-time extensions patched and enabled. The debian folks (especially waldi aka Bastien Blank will say some or

Re: realtime kernel for Debian (was: Please Improve Debian for Multimedia Production)

2009-03-24 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 7:25 PM, Grammostola Rosea rosea.grammost...@gmail.com wrote: Mmh this is interesting, cause there is an realtime kernel available in the ubuntu hardy repo, but not in Debian yet. Would be nice if there was one which users could install. But I'm not an rt-kernel expert

Re: Please Improve Debian for Multimedia Production

2009-03-23 Thread Felipe Sateler
Andreas Tille wrote: On Sun, 22 Mar 2009, Jim wrote: Hi. I took the suggestion of one of the replies to your original post and read about debian pure blends, and at first I thought demudi was a pure blend; At the time of writing the DeMuDi project *intended* to become 100% Debian - but

Re: Please Improve Debian for Multimedia Production

2009-03-23 Thread Andreas Tille
On Mon, 23 Mar 2009, Felipe Sateler wrote: The DeMuDi project is dead AFAIK. This fits to my observation. The 64studio spawned from it, and can't be a pure blend. Actually the demudi team merged with the Debian Multimedia Maintainers, so we now work together. That's really good. I would

Re: Please Improve Debian for Multimedia Production

2009-03-22 Thread Jim
Grammostola Rosea, Hi. I took the suggestion of one of the replies to your original post and read about debian pure blends, and at first I thought demudi was a pure blend; it's listed as one of the projects but is not actually a pure blend, which I guess means they might have updated apps and

Re: Please Improve Debian for Multimedia Production

2009-03-22 Thread Andreas Tille
On Sun, 22 Mar 2009, Jim wrote: Hi. I took the suggestion of one of the replies to your original post and read about debian pure blends, and at first I thought demudi was a pure blend; At the time of writing the DeMuDi project *intended* to become 100% Debian - but this intend was not

Re: Please Improve Debian for Multimedia Production

2009-03-21 Thread Grammostola Rosea
Michael Hanke wrote: Hi, On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 04:29:35PM +0100, Fabian Greffrath wrote: As an additional hint the multimedia team might consider using the Debian Pure Blends framework which enables them to show quite simply what is just there and what they are working on (for instance

Re: Please Improve Debian for Multimedia Production

2009-03-21 Thread Andreas Tille
On Sat, 21 Mar 2009, Grammostola Rosea wrote: Speaking for the pkg-multimedia-maintainers, i.e. the actual Debian Multimedia Team, we don't see ourself as a Debian Blend. We are just a bunch of maintainers maintaining a bunch of packages *in* Debian: Right, and that is what blends are about

Please Improve Debian for Multimedia Production

2009-03-20 Thread Grammostola Rosea
Hi, Since a while I'm pretty active in using Debian/Linux for Multimedia production, especially focusing on music production (check www.linuxmusicians.com for instance). Debian is a great system to use for this. Unfortunately there are nice music production applications which are not

Re: Please Improve Debian for Multimedia Production

2009-03-20 Thread Andreas Tille
On Fri, 20 Mar 2009, Grammostola Rosea wrote: For instance, I posted some apps which are not in Debian right now as wishes (RFP): http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?submitter=rosea.grammost...@gmail.com (There is work on progress on Frescobaldi, Rumor (my first Debian package ;) )

Re: Re: Please Improve Debian for Multimedia Production

2009-03-20 Thread Fabian Greffrath
As an additional hint the multimedia team might consider using the Debian Pure Blends framework which enables them to show quite simply what is just there and what they are working on (for instance see just issued bits [1]). So if you are interested in those tasks and bugs pages or in multimedia

Re: Re: Please Improve Debian for Multimedia Production

2009-03-20 Thread Michael Hanke
Hi, On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 04:29:35PM +0100, Fabian Greffrath wrote: As an additional hint the multimedia team might consider using the Debian Pure Blends framework which enables them to show quite simply what is just there and what they are working on (for instance see just issued bits