Re: Proposed new release goal: Dependency/file list predictability

2007-06-25 Thread Frank Küster
Bill Allombert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This should be fixed by rebuilding af. However, since we are moving to a new menu structure, the menu file will need to be updated[1], so the packages will need a new sourceful upload anyway. The footnote was missing, unfortunately: I'm really curious

Re: Proposed new release goal: Dependency/file list predictability

2007-06-25 Thread Bill Allombert
On Mon, Jun 25, 2007 at 08:22:17AM +0200, Frank Küster wrote: Bill Allombert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This should be fixed by rebuilding af. However, since we are moving to a new menu structure, the menu file will need to be updated[1], so the packages will need a new sourceful upload

Re: Proposed new release goal: Dependency/file list predictability

2007-06-25 Thread Frank Küster
Bill Allombert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jun 25, 2007 at 08:22:17AM +0200, Frank Küster wrote: Bill Allombert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This should be fixed by rebuilding af. However, since we are moving to a new menu structure, the menu file will need to be updated[1], so the

Re: Proposed new release goal: Dependency/file list predictability

2007-06-25 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 24/06/07 at 20:25 +0200, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote: Steinar, do you want to merge your release goal with that one, or do you prefer me to file a seperate release goal? The main reason why I think they should be merged is that the way to detect issues is similar. I'd prefer to

Re: Proposed new release goal: Dependency/file list predictability

2007-06-25 Thread Bill Allombert
On Mon, Jun 25, 2007 at 12:34:30PM +0200, Frank Küster wrote: Bill Allombert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jun 25, 2007 at 08:22:17AM +0200, Frank Küster wrote: Bill Allombert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This should be fixed by rebuilding af. However, since we are moving to a new

Re: Proposed new release goal: Dependency/file list predictability

2007-06-24 Thread Steinar H. Gunderson
On Fri, Jun 22, 2007 at 09:23:16AM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: However, with this setup, you only check that building packages in non-clean environments doesn't significantly affect the package. It would be interesting to check as well if the resulting package matches what is in the archive,

Re: Proposed new release goal: Dependency/file list predictability

2007-06-24 Thread Marcus Better
Matthew Johnson wrote: Also, you should consider build systems which switch using the alternatives system. Debian Java policy says that debian/rules must specify the build system to use explicitly, but there are a number of packages which don't. If you know of any such packages, please file

Re: Proposed new release goal: Dependency/file list predictability

2007-06-23 Thread Enrico Zini
On Fri, Jun 22, 2007 at 11:25:44PM +0100, Enrico Zini wrote: - compute a delicateness index of a package by summing the SAT temperature of all packages that depend on it, and then give special attention to the most delicate packages to see RC bugs, maintainer activity and so on.

Re: Proposed new release goal: Dependency/file list predictability

2007-06-23 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Sat, Jun 23, 2007 at 09:35:25AM +0100, Enrico Zini wrote: On Fri, Jun 22, 2007 at 11:25:44PM +0100, Enrico Zini wrote: - compute a delicateness index of a package by summing the SAT temperature of all packages that depend on it, and then give special attention to the most

Re: Proposed new release goal: Dependency/file list predictability

2007-06-23 Thread Bill Allombert
On Fri, Jun 22, 2007 at 09:37:39PM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: af: files list differ: -./usr/lib/menu -./usr/lib/menu/af +./usr/share/menu +./usr/share/menu/af Non-ancient debhelper. Still, what do we want to do about those? This should be fixed by rebuilding af.

Re: Proposed new release goal: Dependency/file list predictability

2007-06-22 Thread Matthew Johnson
As discussed during DebConf, I'd like to propose a new release goal: Packages should not only build in clean chroots, but also in non-clean environments. Specifically, adding extra packages from the archive into the build environment (that are not in Build-Conflicts) should not affect the

Re: Proposed new release goal: Dependency/file list predictability

2007-06-22 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 22/06/07 at 01:49 +0200, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote: As discussed during DebConf, I'd like to propose a new release goal: Packages should not only build in clean chroots, but also in non-clean environments. Specifically, adding extra packages from the archive into the build environment

Re: Proposed new release goal: Dependency/file list predictability

2007-06-22 Thread Joey Hess
Lucas Nussbaum wrote: acepack: r-cran-acepack's depends differ: -Depends: libc6 , libg2c0 , libgcc1 , r-base-core +Depends: libc6 , libgcc1 , libgfortran1 , r-base-core Caught by the BDFH. alamin: alamin-client's postinst differs: if [ -x /etc/init.d/alamin-server ]; then

Re: Proposed new release goal: Dependency/file list predictability

2007-06-22 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 22/06/07 at 20:08 +0100, Joey Hess wrote: Lucas Nussbaum wrote: acepack: r-cran-acepack's depends differ: -Depends: libc6 , libg2c0 , libgcc1 , r-base-core +Depends: libc6 , libgcc1 , libgfortran1 , r-base-core Caught by the BDFH. Ok, good to know. alamin:

Re: Proposed new release goal: Dependency/file list predictability

2007-06-22 Thread Enrico Zini
On Fri, Jun 22, 2007 at 01:49:25AM +0200, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote: as it's stable.) The idea is to build a package both in a pbuilder and in a really filled chroot -- it currently contains 18GB of packages, which is most of the devel and libdevel sections. What is compared is: This is

Proposed new release goal: Dependency/file list predictability

2007-06-21 Thread Steinar H. Gunderson
[Please keep discussion on -devel; -release is not a discussion list and I'm not subscribed to -qa :-)] Hi, As discussed during DebConf, I'd like to propose a new release goal: Packages should not only build in clean chroots, but also in non-clean environments. Specifically, adding extra

Re: Proposed new release goal: Dependency/file list predictability

2007-06-21 Thread Simon Richter
Hi, Steinar H. Gunderson schrieb: To this end, I've set up the build daemon from Hell (BDFH) on my machine, currently doing script testing. Would it make sense to run the build under auto-apt, to see whether it tries to access some file in another package? That would obviously not be a