Re: Bug#966621: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-06 Thread Richard Lewis
Luca Boccassi writes: > Hence, I am not really looking for philosophical discussions or lists > of personal preferences or hypotheticals, but for facts: what would > break where, and how to fix it? - tmux stores sockets in /tmp/tmux-$UID - I think screen might use /tmp/screens I suppose if you

Re: Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-06 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Mon, 6 May 2024 at 22:27, Simon McVittie wrote: > > On Mon, 06 May 2024 at 22:08:56 +0200, Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues wrote: > > If [files can be deleted automatically while mmdebstrap is using them], > > how should applications guard against that from > > happening? > > As documented in

Re: Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-06 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Mon, 6 May 2024 at 21:08, Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues wrote: > > Hi, > > Quoting Luca Boccassi (2024-05-06 15:20:08) > > While personal anecdotes and stories can be interesting and amusing in many > > circumstances, I am not really looking for those at this very moment. What I > > am

Re: Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-06 Thread Simon McVittie
On Mon, 06 May 2024 at 22:08:56 +0200, Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues wrote: > If [files can be deleted automatically while mmdebstrap is using them], > how should applications guard against that from > happening? As documented in tmpfiles.d(5), if mmdebstrap takes out an exclusive flock(2)

Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-06 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Mon, 6 May 2024 at 21:30, Salvo Tomaselli wrote: > > On a fresh installed fedora system I downloaded a .iso in /tmp, then the > OOMkiller killed wayland, so everything died. > > If you know you won't ever fill it up, I guess it's fine. But I'd go for the > safer (and sadly slower) option. You

Re: Bug#966621: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-06 Thread Richard Lewis
Luca Boccassi writes: > On Mon, 6 May 2024 at 15:42, Richard Lewis > wrote: >> >> Luca Boccassi writes: >> >> > Hence, I am not really looking for philosophical discussions or lists >> > of personal preferences or hypotheticals, but for facts: what would >> > break where, and how to fix it? >>

Re: Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-06 Thread Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues
Hi, Quoting Luca Boccassi (2024-05-06 15:20:08) > While personal anecdotes and stories can be interesting and amusing in many > circumstances, I am not really looking for those at this very moment. What I > am looking for right now is packages or internal infrastructure that need an > update to

Re: Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-06 Thread Andrey Rakhmatullin
On Mon, May 06, 2024 at 04:50:50PM +0100, Barak A. Pearlmutter wrote: > > tmpfiles.d snippets can be defined to cleanup on a timer _anything_, > > It's a question of what the *default* behaviour should be. > > For whatever reason, a lot of people who process large data use > /var/tmp/FOO/ as a

Re: Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-06 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Mon, 6 May 2024 at 16:51, Barak A. Pearlmutter wrote: > > > tmpfiles.d snippets can be defined to cleanup on a timer _anything_, > > It's a question of what the *default* behaviour should be. No, it is not, at least not for the strawman you conjured. So I gather that git doesn't warn when

Re: Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-06 Thread Barak A. Pearlmutter
> tmpfiles.d snippets can be defined to cleanup on a timer _anything_, It's a question of what the *default* behaviour should be. For whatever reason, a lot of people who process large data use /var/tmp/FOO/ as a place to store information that should not be backed up, but also should not just

Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-06 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Mon, 6 May 2024 at 16:42, Simon Richter wrote: > > Hi, > > On 5/6/24 19:57, Michael Biebl wrote: > > > Afaik, /var/tmp has never been cleaned up on /boot. > > So I'm not sure what you mean with "no longer"? > > Oof, you're right, it was /tmp, /var/run, /var/lock: > > [ "$VERBOSE" !=

Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-06 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Mon, 6 May 2024 at 16:30, Simon Richter wrote: > > Hi, > > On 5/6/24 20:19, Luca Boccassi wrote: > > > Is that the default layout, or a selectable option? > > When you create a partition manually, it asks for the mount point, and > makes a number of suggestions in a dropdown, and /tmp is one

Re: Bug#966621: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-06 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Mon, 6 May 2024 at 15:42, Richard Lewis wrote: > > Luca Boccassi writes: > > > Hence, I am not really looking for philosophical discussions or lists > > of personal preferences or hypotheticals, but for facts: what would > > break where, and how to fix it? > > cleaning /tmp or /var/tmp: users

Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-06 Thread Simon Richter
Hi, On 5/6/24 19:57, Michael Biebl wrote: Afaik, /var/tmp has never been cleaned up on /boot. So I'm not sure what you mean with "no longer"? Oof, you're right, it was /tmp, /var/run, /var/lock: [ "$VERBOSE" != no ] && echo -n "Cleaning" [ -d /tmp ] && cleantmp [ -d

Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-06 Thread Simon Richter
Hi, On 5/6/24 20:19, Luca Boccassi wrote: Is that the default layout, or a selectable option? When you create a partition manually, it asks for the mount point, and makes a number of suggestions in a dropdown, and /tmp is one of these. There is also a "enter manually" option. If the

Re: Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-06 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Mon, 6 May 2024 at 16:03, Barak A. Pearlmutter wrote: > > If it clones into /tmp the *entire* tree will either be reaped (upon > reboot) or not. > > But having just some files deleted from a git dir or git working dir > is much more dangerous, because various git commands can treat files >

Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-06 Thread Andrey Rakhmatullin
On Mon, May 06, 2024 at 07:42:11AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > >> I'm not sure if we have software on long running servers which place > >> files in /tmp and /var/tmp and expect files to not be deleted during > >> runtime, even if not accessed for a long time. This is certainly an > >> issue to

Re: Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-06 Thread Barak A. Pearlmutter
If it clones into /tmp the *entire* tree will either be reaped (upon reboot) or not. But having just some files deleted from a git dir or git working dir is much more dangerous, because various git commands can treat files deleted from the working tree as deliberate changes to be committed, and

Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-06 Thread Russ Allbery
Andrey Rakhmatullin writes: > On Mon, May 06, 2024 at 10:40:00AM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: >> I'm not sure if we have software on long running servers which place >> files in /tmp and /var/tmp and expect files to not be deleted during >> runtime, even if not accessed for a long time. This is

Re: Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-06 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Mon, 6 May 2024 at 15:31, Barak A. Pearlmutter wrote: > > > What I am looking for right now is packages or internal > > infrastructure that need > > an update to cope with these two changes before I upload them, so if > > you know of any please do let me know and I'll happily look into it > >

Re: Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-06 Thread Barak A. Pearlmutter
> What I am looking for right now is packages or internal > infrastructure that need > an update to cope with these two changes before I upload them, so if > you know of any please do let me know and I'll happily look into it > and at least file a bug, if not a MR. Thanks. Okay. git and other

Re: Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-06 Thread Simon McVittie
On Mon, 06 May 2024 at 13:41:58 +0100, Barak A. Pearlmutter wrote: > As someone who regularly deals with large datasets, and keeps them in > the "approved" don't-back-these-up location /var/tmp Independent of whether we make the change Luca is suggesting or not, I don't think /var/tmp is a good

Re: Bug#966621: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-06 Thread Richard Lewis
Luca Boccassi writes: > Hence, I am not really looking for philosophical discussions or lists > of personal preferences or hypotheticals, but for facts: what would > break where, and how to fix it? cleaning /tmp or /var/tmp: users may lose files if they dont realise a directory tmp can be

Re: Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-06 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Mon, 6 May 2024 at 13:42, Barak A. Pearlmutter wrote: > > > Then upon reading the release notes, on such a machine, one can simply do: > > > > touch /etc/tmpfiles.d/tmp.conf > > > > And they get no automated cleanups. > > This also disables on-boot cleaning of /tmp/. Yes, as it's going to be

Re: Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-06 Thread Barak A. Pearlmutter
> Then upon reading the release notes, on such a machine, one can simply do: > > touch /etc/tmpfiles.d/tmp.conf > > And they get no automated cleanups. This also disables on-boot cleaning of /tmp/. The root issue here is that deleting not-read-in-a-while

Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-06 Thread Marvin Renich
* Michael Biebl [240506 07:15]: > Am 06.05.24 um 12:35 schrieb Simon Richter: > > Hi, > > > > On 5/6/24 17:40, Michael Biebl wrote: > > > > > If we go with a/, then I think d-i should be updated to no longer > > > create /tmp as a separate partition. > > > > I think if the admin explicitly

Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-06 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Mon, 6 May 2024 at 12:15, Michael Biebl wrote: > > Am 06.05.24 um 12:35 schrieb Simon Richter: > > Hi, > > > > On 5/6/24 17:40, Michael Biebl wrote: > > > >> If we go with a/, then I think d-i should be updated to no longer > >> create /tmp as a separate partition. > > > > I think if the admin

Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-06 Thread Marvin Renich
* Simon Richter [240506 06:51]: > Hi, > > On 5/6/24 17:40, Michael Biebl wrote: > > > If we go with a/, then I think d-i should be updated to no longer create > > /tmp as a separate partition. > > I think if the admin explicitly configures tmpfs as a separate file system, > then that should be

Re: Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-06 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Mon, 6 May 2024 at 11:33, Barak A. Pearlmutter wrote: > > > We have two separate issues here: > > > a/ /tmp-on-tmpfs > > b/ time based clean-up of /tmp and /var/tmp > > > I think it makes sense to discuss/handle those separately. > > Agreed. > > I also don't see any issue with a/, at worst

Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-06 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Mon, 6 May 2024 at 11:48, Michael Biebl wrote: > > Am 06.05.24 um 12:18 schrieb Luca Boccassi: > > Defaults are defaults, they are trivially and fully overridable where > > needed if needed. Especially container and VM managers these days can > > super trivially override them via SMBIOS Type11

Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-06 Thread Andrey Rakhmatullin
On Mon, May 06, 2024 at 10:40:00AM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: > I'm not sure if we have software on long running servers which place files > in /tmp and /var/tmp and expect files to not be deleted during runtime, even > if not accessed for a long time. This is certainly an issue to be aware of >

Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-06 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 06.05.24 um 12:35 schrieb Simon Richter: Hi, On 5/6/24 17:40, Michael Biebl wrote: If we go with a/, then I think d-i should be updated to no longer create /tmp as a separate partition. I think if the admin explicitly configures tmpfs as a separate file system, then that should be

Re: Epoch bump for bcachefs-tools

2024-05-06 Thread Emilio Pozuelo Monfort
On 26/04/2024 15:57, Jonathan Carter wrote: Hi Debian Developers In January, bcachefs[1] finally made it into the mainline Linux kernel as an experimental filesystem in to Linux 6.7 In 2022 something odd happened and the versions releases were 23 and 24 (previously we had alpha versions in

Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-06 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 06.05.24 um 12:18 schrieb Luca Boccassi: Defaults are defaults, they are trivially and fully overridable where needed if needed. Especially container and VM managers these days can super trivially override them via SMBIOS Type11 strings or Credentials, ephemerally and without changing the

Re: Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-06 Thread Samuel Thibault
Barak A. Pearlmutter, le lun. 06 mai 2024 11:15:35 +0100, a ecrit: > To me, the purpose of /var/tmp/ when I have my "user" hat on is: a > place to put files I don't want backed up, particularly large ones, > and which if I run out of disk space is a place to look for stuff to > delete. it's not "a

Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-06 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 06.05.24 um 12:15 schrieb Barak A. Pearlmutter: We have two separate issues here: a/ /tmp-on-tmpfs b/ time based clean-up of /tmp and /var/tmp I think it makes sense to discuss/handle those separately. Agreed. I also don't see any issue with a/, at worst people will be annoyed with

Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-06 Thread Simon Richter
Hi, On 5/6/24 17:40, Michael Biebl wrote: If we go with a/, then I think d-i should be updated to no longer create /tmp as a separate partition. I think if the admin explicitly configures tmpfs as a separate file system, then that should be honored -- if there is memory pressure,

Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-06 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Mon, 6 May 2024 at 09:40, Michael Biebl wrote: > > We have two separate issues here: > > a/ /tmp-on-tmpfs > b/ time based clean-up of /tmp and /var/tmp > > I think it makes sense to discuss/handle those separately. > > Regarding a/: > tmp.mount as shipped by systemd uses the following mount

Re: Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-06 Thread Barak A. Pearlmutter
> We have two separate issues here: > a/ /tmp-on-tmpfs > b/ time based clean-up of /tmp and /var/tmp > I think it makes sense to discuss/handle those separately. Agreed. I also don't see any issue with a/, at worst people will be annoyed with it for some reason and can then change it back. >

Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-06 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Mon, 6 May 2024 at 06:36, Paul Gevers wrote: > > Hi Luca, > > On 05-05-2024 10:04 p.m., Luca Boccassi wrote: > > > Hence, I intend to apply these changes in the next src:systemd upload > > to unstable, probably next week. > > > In case anybody is aware of packages/programs needing an update

Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-06 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 05.05.24 um 22:04 schrieb Luca Boccassi: This will be mentioned in NEWS (and I guess in the release notes when the time comes), together with the instructions to override for anybody wanting to keep the old behaviour, which is as trivial as: .. touch /etc/tmpfiles.d/tmp.conf This

Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-06 Thread Holger Levsen
clone 966621 -1 reassign -1 release-notes thanks On Mon, May 06, 2024 at 10:40:00AM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: > We have two separate issues here: > > a/ /tmp-on-tmpfs > b/ time based clean-up of /tmp and /var/tmp > > I think it makes sense to discuss/handle those separately. very much

Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-06 Thread Michael Biebl
We have two separate issues here: a/ /tmp-on-tmpfs b/ time based clean-up of /tmp and /var/tmp I think it makes sense to discuss/handle those separately. Regarding a/: tmp.mount as shipped by systemd uses the following mount options: "mode=1777,strictatime,nosuid,nodev,size=50%" In the past

Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-05 Thread Paul Gevers
Hi Luca, On 05-05-2024 10:04 p.m., Luca Boccassi wrote: > Hence, I intend to apply these changes in the next src:systemd upload > to unstable, probably next week. In case anybody is aware of packages/programs needing an update to cope with these changes, or any other issue, please let me know

Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-05 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Sun, 5 May 2024 at 22:22, Salvo Tomaselli wrote: > > > In case anybody is aware of packages/programs needing an update to cope > > with these changes, or any other issue, please let me know and I will > > file bugs. > > in localslackirc@.service > > ReadWritePaths=/var/tmp > > It uses /var/tmp

Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-05 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Tue, 5 Jul 2022 19:42:37 +0200 Michael Biebl wrote: > > Hi Eric > > On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 15:12:48 + Eric Desrochers > wrote: > > Package: systemd > > Version: 245.7-1 > > Severity: normal > > > > Dear Maintainer, > > > > Debian systemd implementation does not clean > > /var/tmp by

Re: new upstream version fails older tests of rdepends packages

2024-05-04 Thread Paul Gevers
Hi, On 04-05-2024 11:39 a.m., Jerome BENOIT wrote: What would be the best way to unblock the migration of gap and gap-io ? If gap isn't going to change (which might be the easiest solution), then file bugs and fix those reverse dependencies. Those bugs are RC and in due time will cause

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On Thu, May 02, 2024 at 10:37:57AM -0600, Trevor Howard wrote: > How do I unsubscribe from these emails? > > On Wed, May 1, 2024 at 11:15 PM Andreas Tille wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > keeping my promise for monthly bits, here's a quick snapshot of my first > > ten days as DPL. > > > > Special

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Re: archive.debian.org mirrors

2024-04-30 Thread Christoph Biedl
Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues wrote... > speaking of mirroring problematic debian.org services [1] by adding more > copies > of terabytes of data [2]: is there an update of the situation regarding > snapshot.d.o? I do not see any activity in bugs like #1050815 and #1029744. > And > bug

Re: archive.debian.org mirrors

2024-04-29 Thread Paul Wise
On Sun, 2024-04-28 at 07:04 +0200, Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues wrote: > speaking of mirroring problematic debian.org services [1] by adding more > copies > of terabytes of data [2]: is there an update of the situation regarding > snapshot.d.o? I do not see any activity in bugs like #1050815

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Re: Status of the t64 transition

2024-04-28 Thread Andrey Rakhmatullin
On Sun, Apr 28, 2024 at 02:28:30PM +0200, Paul Gevers wrote: > > Can you please look at libproxy<->glib-networking? libproxy excuses show > > glib-networking tests failing, but they are working in sid. > > And that's not missing a versioned Depends and/or Breaks? I.e. this is a > test only

Re: Status of the t64 transition

2024-04-28 Thread Paul Gevers
Hi, On 27-04-2024 7:52 p.m., Andrey Rakhmatullin wrote: Can you please look at libproxy<->glib-networking? libproxy excuses show glib-networking tests failing, but they are working in sid. And that's not missing a versioned Depends and/or Breaks? I.e. this is a test only failure? Paul

Re: archive.debian.org mirrors

2024-04-27 Thread Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues
Hi, Quoting Adam D. Barratt (2024-04-28 01:09:28) > > Seeing mirror functionality being uncertain, I have started to track > > archive.debian.org as a Git-LFS repository on gitlab.com. > Please don't. If there's a problem with debian.org services then we should > fix that, not start adding more

Re: archive.debian.org mirrors

2024-04-27 Thread Adam D. Barratt
On Sun, 2024-04-28 at 00:09 +0100, Adam D. Barratt wrote: > [As a general note, the primary contact point for possible mirror > issues is mirrors@d.o, not debian-devel] > > On Sat, 2024-04-27 at 12:16 +0200, Simon Josefsson wrote: > > [...] > > Further it seems mirrors are out of sync.  I

Re: archive.debian.org mirrors

2024-04-27 Thread Adam D. Barratt
[As a general note, the primary contact point for possible mirror issues is mirrors@d.o, not debian-devel] On Sat, 2024-04-27 at 12:16 +0200, Simon Josefsson wrote: > it should be possible to reach archive.debian.org via rsync, however > this fails for me.  Is this intentional, or can this be

Re: Status of the t64 transition

2024-04-27 Thread Andrey Rakhmatullin
On Wed, Apr 24, 2024 at 07:38:42PM +0200, Paul Gevers wrote: > Hi, > > On 24-04-2024 7:35 p.m., Andrey Rakhmatullin wrote: > > What to do with autopkgtests that fail in testing because of problems with > > packages in testing that are fixed in unstable, e.g. the autopkgtest for > >

Re: archive.debian.org mirrors

2024-04-27 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Sat, Apr 27, 2024 at 12:16:04PM +0200, Simon Josefsson wrote: > Hi > > According to the mirror list > > https://www.debian.org/distrib/archive > > it should be possible to reach archive.debian.org via rsync, however > this fails for me. Is this intentional, or can this be fixed? >

Re: Bug#1068017: Y2038-safe replacements for utmp/wtmp and lastlog

2024-04-26 Thread RL
Chris Hofstaedtler writes: > you are probably aware of the time_t-64bit migration :-) > However, this does not magically transition all data formats to 64bit > times. One such instance is the set of utmp/wtmp and lastlog files. > > Thorsten Kukuk and others have been working on replacements for

Re: Y2038-safe replacements for utmp/wtmp and lastlog

2024-04-26 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 at 12:30, Chris Hofstaedtler wrote: > > Fellow Developers, > > you are probably aware of the time_t-64bit migration :-) > However, this does not magically transition all data formats to 64bit > times. One such instance is the set of utmp/wtmp and lastlog files. > > Thorsten

Re: Y2038-safe replacements for utmp/wtmp and lastlog

2024-04-26 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Chris" == Chris Hofstaedtler writes: Chris> Fellow Developers, Chris> you are probably aware of the time_t-64bit migration :-) Chris> However, this does not magically transition all data formats to 64bit Chris> times. One such instance is the set of utmp/wtmp and lastlog

Re: Status of the t64 transition

2024-04-24 Thread Paul Gevers
Hi, On 24-04-2024 7:42 p.m., Jérémy Lal wrote: Inform the Release Team and we can either schedule the combination manually, add a hint or both. Isn't it processed automatically ? What needs manual intervention and what doesn't ? Well, the migration software *tries* to figure out

Re: Status of the t64 transition

2024-04-24 Thread Paul Gevers
Hi, On 24-04-2024 7:38 p.m., Paul Gevers wrote: On 24-04-2024 7:35 p.m., Andrey Rakhmatullin wrote: What to do with autopkgtests that fail in testing because of problems with packages in testing that are fixed in unstable, e.g. the autopkgtest for speech-dispatcher/0.11.5-2 on Inform the

Re: Status of the t64 transition

2024-04-24 Thread Jérémy Lal
Le mer. 24 avr. 2024 à 19:39, Paul Gevers a écrit : > Hi, > > On 24-04-2024 7:35 p.m., Andrey Rakhmatullin wrote: > > What to do with autopkgtests that fail in testing because of problems > with > > packages in testing that are fixed in unstable, e.g. the autopkgtest for > >

Re: Status of the t64 transition

2024-04-24 Thread Paul Gevers
Hi, On 24-04-2024 7:35 p.m., Andrey Rakhmatullin wrote: What to do with autopkgtests that fail in testing because of problems with packages in testing that are fixed in unstable, e.g. the autopkgtest for speech-dispatcher/0.11.5-2 on Inform the Release Team and we can either schedule the

Re: Status of the t64 transition

2024-04-24 Thread Andrey Rakhmatullin
On Wed, Apr 24, 2024 at 08:51:48AM +0200, Sebastian Ramacher wrote: > If you wonder how you are able to help with the migration, here are > some things to do: > * Fix FTBFS bugs > * Check the status of autopkgtests [1] and report or fix any issues > related to failing tests. > * Check if

Re: Binary conflict between Midnight Commander and MinIO Client

2024-04-24 Thread Jeremy Bícha
On Wed, Apr 24, 2024 at 9:42 AM Andreas Tille wrote: > Am Mon, Apr 22, 2024 at 09:28:29AM +0200 schrieb Philip Hands: > > >> /usr/libexec/minio-client/bin/mc -> /usr/bin/mcli > > > > Might I suggest that the link goes the other way, so that the symlink > > lives in /usr/bin? That way the

Re: Binary conflict between Midnight Commander and MinIO Client

2024-04-24 Thread Andreas Tille
Hi, Am Mon, Apr 22, 2024 at 09:28:29AM +0200 schrieb Philip Hands: > >> /usr/libexec/minio-client/bin/mc -> /usr/bin/mcli > > Might I suggest that the link goes the other way, so that the symlink > lives in /usr/bin? That way the existence of the lib directory is > somewhat self-documenting.

Re: Status of the t64 transition

2024-04-24 Thread Sebastian Ramacher
Hi, dpkg and gcc with t64 enabled migrated to trixie last night. The other packages will slowly migrate as we fix the remaining blockers (autopkgtest regressions, FTBFS bugs, etc). Be aware that temporary removals from trixie may occur to get packages (especially key packages) unstuck as we work

Re: debian-policy: clarify requirement for use of Static-Built-Using

2024-04-23 Thread Fabian Grünbichler
On Fri, Apr 19, 2024 at 07:59:19AM +0100, Sean Whitton wrote: > Hello Go and Rust packagers, > > On Thu 18 Apr 2024 at 11:29pm +03, Maytham Alsudany wrote: > > > With the increasing amount of programs in Debian that Build-Depend and > > statically link with Golang and Rust libraries, it's

Re: Please block glj....@gmail.com from Debian lists [Re: UOC and Britsh Council lawsuit]

2024-04-23 Thread Jose Luis Tallon
On 22/4/24 21:29, Steve Langasek wrote: On Mon, Apr 22, 2024 at 05:11:39PM +0200, José Luis González González wrote: I sent 5 minutes ago an email to "Plaza de Castilla *courts*" setting                    ^^^ BS. It just doesn't work like this.  A regular citizen can't communicate

Please block glj....@gmail.com from Debian lists [Re: UOC and Britsh Council lawsuit]

2024-04-22 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Apr 22, 2024 at 05:11:39PM +0200, José Luis González González wrote: > I sent 5 minutes ago an email to "Plaza de Castilla *courts*" setting > it crystal clear that it was a long time ago the lawsuit to Universitat > Oberta de Catalunya and British Council had to be solved. > > "Kinda or

Re: Binary conflict between Midnight Commander and MinIO Client

2024-04-22 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 21.04.2024 um 18:31 schrieb Mathias Gibbens: Currently, Midnight Commander is packaged for Debian as `mc`. I am looking at packaging the MinIO Client (needed for a future release of Incus), which also unfortunately names its binary `mc`. MinIO upstream has been pretty clear that they don't

Re: Binary conflict between Midnight Commander and MinIO Client

2024-04-22 Thread Marvin Renich
* Simon McVittie [240422 05:02]: > On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 at 09:44:12 +0200, Simon Josefsson wrote: > > Philip Hands writes: > > > Might I suggest that the link goes the other way, so that the symlink > > > lives in /usr/bin? That way the existence of the lib directory is > > > somewhat

Re: Binary conflict between Midnight Commander and MinIO Client

2024-04-22 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Sun Apr 21, 2024 at 5:37 PM BST, Marco d'Itri wrote: > Go for it, I think that there is no good solution for this case. > Everybody who cares then will manually create a mc -> mcli symlink. Indeed, they will: so I would suggest that the chosen binary name for minio-client should *not* be mcli,

Re: Binary conflict between Midnight Commander and MinIO Client

2024-04-22 Thread Simon McVittie
On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 at 09:44:12 +0200, Simon Josefsson wrote: > Philip Hands writes: > > Might I suggest that the link goes the other way, so that the symlink > > lives in /usr/bin? That way the existence of the lib directory is > > somewhat self-documenting. Having the real executable in

Re: Binary conflict between Midnight Commander and MinIO Client

2024-04-22 Thread Simon Josefsson
Philip Hands writes: > Mathias Gibbens writes: > >> On Sun, 2024-04-21 at 18:47 +0200, Simon Josefsson wrote: > ... >>> /usr/libexec/minio-client/bin/mc -> /usr/bin/mcli > > Might I suggest that the link goes the other way, so that the symlink > lives in /usr/bin? That way the existence of the

Re: Binary conflict between Midnight Commander and MinIO Client

2024-04-22 Thread Philip Hands
Mathias Gibbens writes: > On Sun, 2024-04-21 at 18:47 +0200, Simon Josefsson wrote: ... >> /usr/libexec/minio-client/bin/mc -> /usr/bin/mcli Might I suggest that the link goes the other way, so that the symlink lives in /usr/bin? That way the existence of the lib directory is somewhat

Accepted python-re-assert 1.1.0-2 (source) into unstable

2024-04-22 Thread Debian FTP Masters
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Format: 1.8 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2024 05:42:43 + Source: python-re-assert Built-For-Profiles: noudeb Architecture: source Version: 1.1.0-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Debian Python Team Changed-By: Jeroen Ploemen Changes

Re: Teléfono Samsung: no puedo borrar el idioma Alemán

2024-04-21 Thread Jonathan Kamens
I don't want to exacerbate the off-topic-message problem, but I'm hoping that by saying the following I may perhaps be able to prevent further messages to the list about this. First, can we please be very careful, when we're throwing around talk about banning people from lists, to make it

Re: Teléfono Samsung: no puedo borrar el idioma Alemán

2024-04-21 Thread Holger Wansing
Could this guy be blacklisted from Debian lists, please? Am 21. April 2024 22:23:10 MESZ schrieb Jose Luis Alarcon Sanchez : >On abr. 21 2024, at 10:02 pm, José Luis González González > wrote: > >> En mi teléfono móvil Samsung Galaxy A13 no puedo borrar ahora el >> idioma Alemán del telclado y

Re: Teléfono Samsung: no puedo borrar el idioma Alemán

2024-04-21 Thread Jose Luis Alarcon Sanchez
On abr. 21 2024, at 10:02 pm, José Luis González González wrote: > En mi teléfono móvil Samsung Galaxy A13 no puedo borrar ahora el > idioma Alemán del telclado y la corrección ortográfica. > Y que puede tener esto que ver con Debian o con Linux???. Llévalo a un punto de Servicio Técnico de

Re: previous

2024-04-21 Thread José Luis González González
And by the way, I was also unable to subscribe to debian-users-spanish either. I know the emails reach, in any case.

Re: Binary conflict between Midnight Commander and MinIO Client

2024-04-21 Thread Mathias Gibbens
On Sun, 2024-04-21 at 18:47 +0200, Simon Josefsson wrote: > Marco d'Itri writes: > > > On Apr 21, Mathias Gibbens wrote: > > > > >   While that might work for them, it obviously doesn't at a higher > > > packaging level. Per Policy Section 10.1, I'm bringing this to d-devel > > > for any

Re: Binary conflict between Midnight Commander and MinIO Client

2024-04-21 Thread Simon Josefsson
Marco d'Itri writes: > On Apr 21, Mathias Gibbens wrote: > >> While that might work for them, it obviously doesn't at a higher >> packaging level. Per Policy Section 10.1, I'm bringing this to d-devel >> for any comments or suggestions on my plan for packaging the MinIO >> Client. Following

Re: Binary conflict between Midnight Commander and MinIO Client

2024-04-21 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Apr 21, Mathias Gibbens wrote: > While that might work for them, it obviously doesn't at a higher > packaging level. Per Policy Section 10.1, I'm bringing this to d-devel > for any comments or suggestions on my plan for packaging the MinIO > Client. Following what several other

Re: Status of the t64 transition

2024-04-21 Thread Sebastian Ramacher
Hi Andreas, please stop reopening the time_t bugs where transitions are staged in experimental. When we eventually start those transitions, they do not need to change the package name again as they will enter unstable with a new SONAME and built with the 64 bit time_t ABI. Cheers -- Sebastian

Accepted python-re-assert 1.1.0-1 (source all) into unstable

2024-04-21 Thread Debian FTP Masters
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Format: 1.8 Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2024 18:45:38 + Source: python-re-assert Binary: python3-re-assert Architecture: source all Version: 1.1.0-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Debian Python Team Changed-By: Dale Richards

Re: Status of the t64 transition

2024-04-20 Thread Andrey Rakhmatullin
Lists updated to omit packages not in testing: On Thu, Apr 18, 2024 at 09:22:02PM +0200, Sebastian Ramacher wrote: > Let's start with the first category. Those are packages that could be > binNMUed, but there are issues that make those rebuilds not have the > desired effect. This list include

Re: Status of the t64 transition

2024-04-20 Thread Jens Reyer
On 18.04.24 21:22, Sebastian Ramacher wrote: Hi, as the progress on the t64 transition is slowing down, I want to give an overview of some of the remaining blockers that we need to tackle to get it unstuck. I tried to identify some clusters of issues, but there might be other classes of issues.

Re: Status of the t64 transition

2024-04-20 Thread Andrey Rakhmatullin
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Re: Status of the t64 transition

2024-04-19 Thread Sebastian Ramacher
Hi thanks for checking all the packages and filing bugs! On 2024-04-20 00:43:30 +0500, Andrey Rakhmatullin wrote: > On Thu, Apr 18, 2024 at 09:22:02PM +0200, Sebastian Ramacher wrote: > > Let's start with the first category. Those are packages that could be > > binNMUed, but there are issues

Re: Status of the t64 transition

2024-04-19 Thread Sebastian Ramacher
Hi Andreas On 2024-04-19 10:49:15 +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: > I've spotted these Debian Med packages. > > > gentle gentle required a rebuild for wxwidgets3.2 on mips64el. Done > > jellyfish The t64 changes were reverted. crac needs to rebuilt for this change so that libjellyfish-2.0-2t64

Re: Status of the t64 transition

2024-04-19 Thread Sebastian Ramacher
On 2024-04-19 10:34:45 +0200, Simon Josefsson wrote: > Sebastian Ramacher writes: > > > Hi, > > > > as the progress on the t64 transition is slowing down, I want to give an > > overview of some of the remaining blockers that we need to tackle to get > > it unstuck. I tried to identify some

Re: Status of the t64 transition

2024-04-19 Thread Andrey Rakhmatullin
On Thu, Apr 18, 2024 at 09:22:02PM +0200, Sebastian Ramacher wrote: > Let's start with the first category. Those are packages that could be > binNMUed, but there are issues that make those rebuilds not have the > desired effect. This list include packages that > * are BD-Uninstallabe, > * FTBFS

Re: Debian

2024-04-19 Thread José Luis González González
On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 10:09:26 +0200 José Luis González González wrote: > On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 09:59:57 +0200 > José Luis González González wrote: > > > On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 09:39:02 +0200 > > José Luis González González wrote: > > > > > Good day, > > > > > > There's an issue with the dash

Re: Status of the t64 transition

2024-04-19 Thread Étienne Mollier
Hi Sebastian, Andreas Tille, on 2024-04-19: > I've spotted these Debian Med packages. […] > Am Thu, Apr 18, 2024 at 09:22:02PM +0200 schrieb Sebastian Ramacher: […] > > jellyfish > > quorum […] > No idea how we can help here. Please let us know if we can do > something. About these two

Re: Debian

2024-04-19 Thread Steve McIntyre
You've written a lot of text here in a few mails, replying to yourself several times. This is not a positive pattern. On Fri, Apr 19, 2024 at 11:58:18AM +0200, José Luis González González wrote: >> There are similar issues with boa and dhttpd, and it seems Apache is going >> that way. > >nvi

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