Re: A new arch support proposal, hopefully consensual (?)

2005-03-24 Thread foo_bar_baz_boo-deb
Believe what you like about what I said. I could not care less. What was apparently blatantly obvious to you about the nature of the post was not to me, and I wanted to step forward to be sure that Sven's points (which are near to my heart as a SPARC user) were not discarded over a triviality.

Re: A new arch support proposal, hopefully consensual (?)

2005-03-24 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Thu, Mar 24, 2005 at 06:56:31PM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Believe what you like about what I said. I could not care less. What was apparently blatantly obvious to you about the nature of the post was not to me, and I wanted to step forward to be sure that Sven's points (which are

Re: *** SPAM *** Re: A new arch support proposal, hopefully consensual (?)

2005-03-22 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Mar 21, 2005 at 04:31:44PM -0800, Mike Fedyk wrote: Sven Luther wrote: Ok, this is the easy part, and also what the vancouver-proposal included, the difference comes in how the minority-arches are handled, and my proposal is a 'including' proposal, while the vancouver-proposal

Re: A new arch support proposal, hopefully consensual (?)

2005-03-22 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Sun, Mar 20, 2005 at 08:48:45PM +0100, Julien BLACHE wrote: Raphael Hertzog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe everyone is supportive of the various ports, nobody has any interest in making a port fail... but it's clear that many maintainers are frustrated to be blocked because their

Re: A new arch support proposal, hopefully consensual (?)

2005-03-22 Thread Julien BLACHE
Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Our users and developers might want a distribution which 1. Runs on every platform; OR 2. Is 100% free, but only needs to run on their mainstream desktop; OR 3. Is technically the best at any cost; OR 4. Suitable for production use on modern hardware;

Re: *** SPAM *** Re: A new arch support proposal, hopefully consensual (?)

2005-03-22 Thread Mike Fedyk
Sven Luther wrote: On Mon, Mar 21, 2005 at 04:31:44PM -0800, Mike Fedyk wrote: Sven Luther wrote: Ok, this is the easy part, and also what the vancouver-proposal included, the difference comes in how the minority-arches are handled, and my proposal is a

Re: A new arch support proposal, hopefully consensual (?)

2005-03-22 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Mon, Mar 21, 2005 at 12:26:13AM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not so fair to perpetrate a straw man attack against Sven's whole proposal just because he can't spell perfectly. Give the man credit where it's due for trying to better Debian. This is stupid. The very phrasing was

Re: A new arch support proposal, hopefully consensual (?)

2005-03-21 Thread Tapio Lehtonen
On Sun, Mar 20, 2005 at 12:45:33PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: discussion forward in such a way that we can get a resonable discussion at the helsinski debconf'05 meeting. That's Helsinki, you ignoramus, you. http://www.helsinki.fi/eng/index.html -- Tapio Lehtonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG

Re: A new arch support proposal, hopefully consensual (?)

2005-03-21 Thread foo_bar_baz_boo-deb
It's not so fair to perpetrate a straw man attack against Sven's whole proposal just because he can't spell perfectly. Give the man credit where it's due for trying to better Debian. BTW, Sven and the Vancouver crew, I appreciate your collective thinking about what's right for Debian and the

Re: A new arch support proposal, hopefully consensual (?)

2005-03-21 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Mar 21, 2005 at 12:26:13AM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not so fair to perpetrate a straw man attack against Sven's whole proposal just because he can't spell perfectly. Give the man credit where it's due for trying to better Debian. Hehe, no offense taken, and i can understand

Re: A new arch support proposal, hopefully consensual (?)

2005-03-21 Thread Mike Fedyk
Sven Luther wrote: Ok, this is the easy part, and also what the vancouver-proposal included, the difference comes in how the minority-arches are handled, and my proposal is a 'including' proposal, while the vancouver-proposal was 'excluding'. 4) each non-tier1 arches will have its own testing

Re: A new arch support proposal, hopefully consensual (?)

2005-03-20 Thread Thomas Viehmann
Sven Luther wrote: Problems with many arches: - same for the security team. Hmm. I only saw Joey's message on the subject, which basically seemed to say as long as it's only one source compiling on all arches, it's OK 7) the porter team has the possibility to providing arch-specific overrides

Re: A new arch support proposal, hopefully consensual (?)

2005-03-20 Thread Sven Luther
On Sun, Mar 20, 2005 at 04:59:57PM +0100, Thomas Viehmann wrote: Sven Luther wrote: Problems with many arches: - same for the security team. Hmm. I only saw Joey's message on the subject, which basically seemed to say as long as it's only one source compiling on all arches, it's OK Yep,

Re: A new arch support proposal, hopefully consensual (?)

2005-03-20 Thread cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis)
On Sunday 20 March 2005 16:59, Thomas Viehmann wrote: Sven Luther wrote: 7) the porter team has the possibility to providing arch-specific overrides to solve the issue of a package not passing from unstable into testing due to a tier1-specific RC bug or whatever. Should be used sparingly

Re: A new arch support proposal, hopefully consensual (?)

2005-03-20 Thread Thomas Viehmann
Sven Luther wrote: The idea is that we don't want to hold up release, but we still want to allow for a future release at a later point, in a stable point release. Especially now that we are told that security is not an issue. This way, the security support of the additional arches would stay

Re: A new arch support proposal, hopefully consensual (?)

2005-03-20 Thread Brad Sims
On Sunday 20 March 2005 11:04 am, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) wrote:  I like this idea, any cons? As a user, what I think doesn't count for much but I second this idea. A very large part of what attracted me to Debian is the support for multiple archs... -- Reality continues to ruin my life.

Re: A new arch support proposal, hopefully consensual (?)

2005-03-20 Thread Sven Luther
On Sun, Mar 20, 2005 at 06:24:23PM +0100, Thomas Viehmann wrote: Sven Luther wrote: The idea is that we don't want to hold up release, but we still want to allow for a future release at a later point, in a stable point release. Especially now that we are told that security is not an issue.

Re: A new arch support proposal, hopefully consensual (?)

2005-03-20 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Le dimanche 20 mars 2005 à 12:45 +0100, Sven Luther a écrit : Hello, Hi Sven, This is an attempt to do a vancouver-counter proposal in such a way that would be acceptable to all, including the folk who was at the vancouver meeting. Please be resonable when we post here, refrain from

Re: A new arch support proposal, hopefully consensual (?)

2005-03-20 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote: Debian as a whole shouldn't suffer from minority arches. So we decide to refuse most of the constraints imposed by the minority arches... this way the release team shouldn't pester porter until they setup an rbuilder for security uploads or a

Re: A new arch support proposal, hopefully consensual (?)

2005-03-20 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Sun, Mar 20, 2005 at 07:22:07PM +0100, Bernd Eckenfels wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote: Debian as a whole shouldn't suffer from minority arches. So we decide to refuse most of the constraints imposed by the minority arches... this way the release team shouldn't pester

Re: A new arch support proposal, hopefully consensual (?)

2005-03-20 Thread Julien BLACHE
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Raphael Hertzog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe everyone is supportive of the various ports, nobody has any interest in making a port fail... but it's clear that many maintainers are frustrated to be blocked because their package doesn't build