Re: Breaking programs because a not yet implemented solution exists in theory (Was: Bug#658139: evince: missing mime entry)

2012-05-02 Thread Andreas Tille
Hi, I just would like to warm up this thread a bit because I wonder if a solution would be found in time for Wheezy release. It seems nobody really seems to care about those suggested scripts and we are breaking a certain amount of programs if mailcap entries are dropped without any replacement.

Re: Breaking programs because a not yet implemented solution exists in theory (Was: Bug#658139: evince: missing mime entry)

2012-05-02 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Wed, 2012-05-02 at 15:30 +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: Hi, I just would like to warm up this thread a bit because I wonder if a solution would be found in time for Wheezy release. It seems nobody really seems to care about those suggested scripts and we are breaking a certain amount of

Re: Breaking programs because a not yet implemented solution exists in theory (Was: Bug#658139: evince: missing mime entry)

2012-05-02 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2012-05-02, Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk wrote: I'm also not seeing GNOME applications as file type handlers in Akregator (KDE application). So I'm not sure this is even 'just' a problem for text-mode applications. I just tried to install 'gedit' to test it, and I can nicely now set

Re: Breaking programs because a not yet implemented solution exists in theory (Was: Bug#658139: evince: missing mime entry)

2012-02-18 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hello, On Wed, 01 Feb 2012, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le mardi 31 janvier 2012 à 21:51 +0100, Andreas Tille a écrit : I agree that an automatic solution would be prefered. However, as long as such someone does not stand up and write such a program removing existing solutions is feel free

Re: Breaking programs because a not yet implemented solution exists in theory (Was: Bug#658139: evince: missing mime entry)

2012-02-03 Thread Ian Jackson
Josselin Mouette writes (Re: Breaking programs because a not yet implemented solution exists in theory (Was: Bug#658139: evince: missing mime entry)): This is a blatant lack of knowledge of the current state of the distribution. I'm afraid you are demonstrating your own blatant lack of

Re: Breaking programs because a not yet implemented solution exists in theory (Was: Bug#658139: evince: missing mime entry)

2012-02-02 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 02 février 2012 à 02:14 +, Wookey a écrit : It wasn't at all obvious that the actual reason was a conspiracy to remove mime file support from evince. Now that I know about it, I'm not very impressed. Andreas has already expressed this annoyance so I won't say it again. Being

Re: Breaking programs because a not yet implemented solution exists in theory (Was: Bug#658139: evince: missing mime entry)

2012-02-02 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
On 12-02-02 at 03:32pm, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le jeudi 02 février 2012 à 02:14 +, Wookey a écrit : It wasn't at all obvious that the actual reason was a conspiracy to remove mime file support from evince. Now that I know about it, I'm not very impressed. Andreas has already

Re: Breaking programs because a not yet implemented solution exists in theory (Was: Bug#658139: evince: missing mime entry)

2012-02-02 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 02 février 2012 à 15:51 +0100, Jonas Smedegaard a écrit : The issue here (or at least at the dawn of this thread) is that some package maintainers have chosen to break something that used to work. Claiming that the mime-support system actually works is stretching reality as much as a

Re: Breaking programs because a not yet implemented solution exists in theory (Was: Bug#658139: evince: missing mime entry)

2012-02-02 Thread Andreas Tille
On Thu, Feb 02, 2012 at 04:23:01PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: Claiming that the mime-support system actually works is stretching reality as much as a bone who just met Chuck Norris’ fist. I fail to see a reason to fall back to polemics. The policy might claim it is the recommended way,

Re: Breaking programs because a not yet implemented solution exists in theory (Was: Bug#658139: evince: missing mime entry)

2012-02-02 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org [120202 16:23]: [the usual insults removed] The policy might claim it is the recommended way, but only a handful of programs, such as mutt and lynx, actually make use of this information. Or programs like see or everything using it that wants to savely run a

Re: Breaking programs because a not yet implemented solution exists in theory (Was: Bug#658139: evince: missing mime entry)

2012-02-02 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 02 février 2012 à 16:43 +0100, Andreas Tille a écrit : The policy might claim it is the recommended way, but only a handful of programs, such as mutt and lynx, actually make use of this information. Any reason you are leaving out those two programs (see, mc) which were

Re: Breaking programs because a not yet implemented solution exists in theory (Was: Bug#658139: evince: missing mime entry)

2012-02-02 Thread Ian Jackson
Josselin Mouette writes (Re: Breaking programs because a not yet implemented solution exists in theory (Was: Bug#658139: evince: missing mime entry)): Le jeudi 02 février 2012 à 15:51 +0100, Jonas Smedegaard a écrit : The issue here (or at least at the dawn of this thread) is that some

Re: Breaking programs because a not yet implemented solution exists in theory (Was: Bug#658139: evince: missing mime entry)

2012-02-02 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 02 février 2012 à 16:12 +, Ian Jackson a écrit : The correct approach it is not to unilaterally decide to do switch to some other half-implemented system, remove support for the previously working machinery, and demand that bug submitters write the compatibility code. The

Re: Breaking programs because a not yet implemented solution exists in theory (Was: Bug#658139: evince: missing mime entry)

2012-02-02 Thread Andreas Tille
On Thu, Feb 02, 2012 at 04:52:22PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: However, to prove your point you need to mention counter examples which are actually failing to use mime-support or are actually broken because of using mime-support. Are you trying to troll, or do you actually not know

Re: Breaking programs because a not yet implemented solution exists in theory (Was: Bug#658139: evince: missing mime entry)

2012-02-02 Thread Ian Jackson
Josselin Mouette writes (Re: Breaking programs because a not yet implemented solution exists in theory (Was: Bug#658139: evince: missing mime entry)): Le jeudi 02 février 2012 à 16:12 +, Ian Jackson a écrit : The correct approach it is not to unilaterally decide to do switch to some

Re: Breaking programs because a not yet implemented solution exists in theory (Was: Bug#658139: evince: missing mime entry)

2012-02-02 Thread Philip Hands
On Thu, 02 Feb 2012 18:08:33 +0100, Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org wrote: Le jeudi 02 février 2012 à 16:12 +, Ian Jackson a écrit : The correct approach it is not to unilaterally decide to do switch to some other half-implemented system, remove support for the previously working

Re: Breaking programs because a not yet implemented solution exists in theory (Was: Bug#658139: evince: missing mime entry)

2012-02-02 Thread brian m. carlson
On Thu, Feb 02, 2012 at 06:08:33PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le jeudi 02 février 2012 à 16:12 +, Ian Jackson a écrit : The correct approach it is not to unilaterally decide to do switch to some other half-implemented system, remove support for the previously working machinery, and

Re: Breaking programs because a not yet implemented solution exists in theory (Was: Bug#658139: evince: missing mime entry)

2012-02-02 Thread Michael Biebl
On 02.02.2012 20:11, brian m. carlson wrote: The mime-support solution is part of Policy. It is a perfectly working, ... As a package maintainer, you're going to have to support some things you don't like. If you hate natural alignment and think sparc is awful, you Show us where

Re: Breaking programs because a not yet implemented solution exists in theory (Was: Bug#658139: evince: missing mime entry)

2012-02-02 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 02 février 2012 à 18:59 +0100, Andreas Tille a écrit : On Thu, Feb 02, 2012 at 04:52:22PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: However, to prove your point you need to mention counter examples which are actually failing to use mime-support or are actually broken because of using

Re: Breaking programs because a not yet implemented solution exists in theory (Was: Bug#658139: evince: missing mime entry)

2012-02-02 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 02 février 2012 à 19:11 +, brian m. carlson a écrit : The mime-support solution is part of Policy. It is a perfectly working, fully-implemented solution. This is a blatant lack of knowledge of the current state of the distribution. If you feel that it is obsolescent or

Re: Breaking programs because a not yet implemented solution exists in theory (Was: Bug#658139: evince: missing mime entry)

2012-02-02 Thread Mike Hommey
On Fri, Feb 03, 2012 at 12:27:40AM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le jeudi 02 février 2012 à 19:11 +, brian m. carlson a écrit : The mime-support solution is part of Policy. It is a perfectly working, fully-implemented solution. This is a blatant lack of knowledge of the current

Re: Breaking programs because a not yet implemented solution exists in theory (Was: Bug#658139: evince: missing mime entry)

2012-02-01 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mardi 31 janvier 2012 à 21:51 +0100, Andreas Tille a écrit : I agree that an automatic solution would be prefered. However, as long as such someone does not stand up and write such a program removing existing solutions is feel free to insert any word which fits. The point is, no one will

Re: Breaking programs because a not yet implemented solution exists in theory (Was: Bug#658139: evince: missing mime entry)

2012-02-01 Thread Andreas Tille
Hi Josselin, On Wed, Feb 01, 2012 at 09:29:46AM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le mardi 31 janvier 2012 à 21:51 +0100, Andreas Tille a écrit : I agree that an automatic solution would be prefered. However, as long as such someone does not stand up and write such a program removing

Re: Breaking programs because a not yet implemented solution exists in theory (Was: Bug#658139: evince: missing mime entry)

2012-02-01 Thread Wookey
+++ Andreas Tille [2012-02-01 09:56 +0100]: Hi Josselin, To break such a chicken/egg circle, we needed either to write the program ourselves, or to simply drop support for the obsolete mime system. Somehow I missed an announcement that mime is obsolete and not supported in Debian any

Re: Breaking programs because a not yet implemented solution exists in theory (Was: Bug#658139: evince: missing mime entry)

2012-01-31 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Andreas Tille ti...@debian.org (31/01/2012): This is definitely not wishlist - but I do not like to play severity-changing pingpong. Please avoid “To: debian-devel@” when you disagree with maintainers on individual bugs; thanks already. Mraw, KiBi. signature.asc Description: Digital