Re: Bug#292831: udev: udev prevents X from beeing started

2005-02-05 Thread Gaudenz Steinlin
On Sat, Feb 05, 2005 at 04:43:41AM +0100, Jérôme Warnier wrote: Le lundi 31 janvier 2005 à 08:58 +, David Pashley a écrit : On Jan 31, 2005 at 04:46, Hamish Moffatt praised the llamas by saying: Surely the solution is for hotplug/discover to load it during bootup. Could hotplug use

Re: Bug#292831: udev: udev prevents X from beeing started

2005-02-05 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Jérôme Warnier | Surely the solution is for hotplug/discover to load it during bootup. | Could hotplug use mdetect? | | IIRC, mdetect does not support devfs, and devfs is still in use in the | installer, right? mdetect won't run during the first phase of the installation, so that's not a

Re: Bug#292831: udev: udev prevents X from beeing started

2005-02-04 Thread Jérôme Warnier
Le lundi 31 janvier 2005 à 08:58 +, David Pashley a écrit : On Jan 31, 2005 at 04:46, Hamish Moffatt praised the llamas by saying: On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 05:31:03AM +0100, Joey Hess wrote: Marco d'Itri wrote: My package works as designed, but let me know if you can design

Re: Bug#292831: udev: udev prevents X from beeing started

2005-01-31 Thread Ron Johnson
On Mon, 2005-01-31 at 11:43 +0100, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote: Hi Marco, On Sunday, 30 Jan 2005, Marco d'Itri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 30, Martin Zobel-Helas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This breaks unrelated stuff here, so please fix it. I'll wait for your patch. What about not

Re: Bug#292831: udev: udev prevents X from beeing started

2005-01-31 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Mon, 31 Jan 2005, Christoph Hellwig wrote: On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 12:45:42PM -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: On Mon, 31 Jan 2005, Ron Johnson wrote: Unfortunately, GNOME depends on hal, and hal depends on udev. If it does indeed depend on udev, how does it work under

Re: Bug#292831: udev: udev prevents X from beeing started

2005-01-31 Thread Christoph Hellwig
On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 12:59:46PM -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: Well, that does kill the gnome depends on udev stuff. But it does not excuse hal from depending on udev. hal is designed around the hotplug system and udev, that's excuse enough I'd say ;-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email

Re: Bug#292831: udev: udev prevents X from beeing started

2005-01-31 Thread Ron Johnson
On Mon, 2005-01-31 at 15:58 +0100, Christoph Hellwig wrote: On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 12:45:42PM -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: On Mon, 31 Jan 2005, Ron Johnson wrote: Unfortunately, GNOME depends on hal, and hal depends on udev. If it does indeed depend on udev, how does it

Re: Bug#292831: udev: udev prevents X from beeing started

2005-01-31 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op ma, 31-01-2005 te 09:40 -0600, schreef Ron Johnson: On Mon, 2005-01-31 at 15:58 +0100, Christoph Hellwig wrote: On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 12:45:42PM -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: On Mon, 31 Jan 2005, Ron Johnson wrote: Unfortunately, GNOME depends on hal, and hal depends on

Re: Bug#292831: udev: udev prevents X from beeing started

2005-01-31 Thread David Pashley
On Jan 31, 2005 at 15:44, Wouter Verhelst praised the llamas by saying: Op ma, 31-01-2005 te 09:40 -0600, schreef Ron Johnson: On Mon, 2005-01-31 at 15:58 +0100, Christoph Hellwig wrote: On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 12:45:42PM -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: On Mon, 31 Jan 2005,

Re: Bug#292831: udev: udev prevents X from beeing started

2005-01-31 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 03:46:50PM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 05:31:03AM +0100, Joey Hess wrote: Marco d'Itri wrote: My package works as designed, but let me know if you can design something better. Oh, so it's udev that's responsible for what IIRC is a race

Re: Bug#292831: udev: udev prevents X from beeing started

2005-01-31 Thread Joey Hess
Hamish Moffatt wrote: I did an amd64 install last week from the (then) current install image I said it was fixed in sid (in particular, it's fixed in hw-detect 1.12); you've not given me enough information to narrow it down between one of perhaps 12 different images you could have used, and

Re: Bug#292831: udev: udev prevents X from beeing started

2005-01-31 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Mon, 31 Jan 2005, Ron Johnson wrote: Unfortunately, GNOME depends on hal, and hal depends on udev. If it does indeed depend on udev, how does it work under kernel 2.4 at all? -- One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring them all and in the darkness grind them.

Re: Bug#292831: udev: udev prevents X from beeing started

2005-01-31 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 12:45:42PM -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: On Mon, 31 Jan 2005, Ron Johnson wrote: Unfortunately, GNOME depends on hal, and hal depends on udev. If it does indeed depend on udev, how does it work under kernel 2.4 at all? It depends on udev in the sense of a

Hal should not depend on udev (was Re: Bug#292831: udev: udev prevents X from beeing started)

2005-01-31 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Mon, 31 Jan 2005, Steve Langasek wrote: On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 12:45:42PM -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: On Mon, 31 Jan 2005, Ron Johnson wrote: Unfortunately, GNOME depends on hal, and hal depends on udev. If it does indeed depend on udev, how does it work under kernel

Re: Bug#292831: udev: udev prevents X from beeing started

2005-01-31 Thread Christoph Hellwig
On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 12:45:42PM -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: On Mon, 31 Jan 2005, Ron Johnson wrote: Unfortunately, GNOME depends on hal, and hal depends on udev. If it does indeed depend on udev, how does it work under kernel 2.4 at all? Because that statement is utter

Re: Bug#292831: udev: udev prevents X from beeing started

2005-01-31 Thread David Pashley
On Jan 31, 2005 at 04:46, Hamish Moffatt praised the llamas by saying: On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 05:31:03AM +0100, Joey Hess wrote: Marco d'Itri wrote: My package works as designed, but let me know if you can design something better. Oh, so it's udev that's responsible for what IIRC is

Re: Bug#292831: udev: udev prevents X from beeing started

2005-01-31 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jan 31, Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, so it's udev that's responsible for what IIRC is a race that can cause X to not see the ps/2 mouse if the module is loaded as part of X's setup? Nice design. :-P This is the *upstream* design... The official word on this is that if you manually

Re: Bug#292831: udev: udev prevents X from beeing started

2005-01-31 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jan 31, David Pashley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Surely the solution is for hotplug/discover to load it during bootup. Could hotplug use mdetect? No. The kernel should implement proper serio support (and maybe until it's done ship an aliases file which will make hotplug always load psmouse if

Re: Bug#292831: udev: udev prevents X from beeing started

2005-01-31 Thread Martin Zobel-Helas
Hi Marco, On Sunday, 30 Jan 2005, Marco d'Itri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 30, Martin Zobel-Helas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This breaks unrelated stuff here, so please fix it. I'll wait for your patch. What about not enableing udev per default? Lets say, you would add a

Re: Bug#292831: udev: udev prevents X from beeing started

2005-01-30 Thread Joey Hess
Marco d'Itri wrote: My package works as designed, but let me know if you can design something better. Oh, so it's udev that's responsible for what IIRC is a race that can cause X to not see the ps/2 mouse if the module is loaded as part of X's setup? Nice design. :-P FWIW, we have worked

Re: Bug#292831: udev: udev prevents X from beeing started

2005-01-30 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 05:31:03AM +0100, Joey Hess wrote: Marco d'Itri wrote: My package works as designed, but let me know if you can design something better. Oh, so it's udev that's responsible for what IIRC is a race that can cause X to not see the ps/2 mouse if the module is loaded

Re: Bug#292831: udev: udev prevents X from beeing started

2005-01-30 Thread Martin Zobel-Helas
Hi Marco, On Sunday, 30 Jan 2005, Marco d'Itri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 30, Martin Zobel-Helas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: installing udev results in X not able to start. RTFM README.Debian. As written, i installed sarge via linux26, than did a apt-get install x-window-system X

Re: Bug#292831: udev: udev prevents X from beeing started

2005-01-30 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jan 30, Martin Zobel-Helas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This breaks unrelated stuff here, so please fix it. I'll wait for your patch. Every 0-8-15 user will do exactly the same as i did. It is your package package breaking a perfectly running X here. My package works as designed, but let me

0-8-15 user? (was: Re: Bug#292831: udev: udev prevents X from beeing started)

2005-01-30 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Sun, 30 Jan 2005, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote: Every 0-8-15 user will do exactly the same as i did. It is your package What is a 0-8-15 user? -- One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond where the

Re: 0-8-15 user? (was: Re: Bug#292831: udev: udev prevents X from beeing started)

2005-01-30 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: On Sun, 30 Jan 2005, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote: Every 0-8-15 user will do exactly the same as i did. It is your package What is a 0-8-15 user? 08/15: A german expression for uniform, standardized, mass-. Thiemo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL