Re: DEP-4: The TDeb specification.

2011-04-03 Thread Helge Kreutzmann
Hello Neil, On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 04:13:15PM +, Neil Williams wrote: Time to launch the debate on the Draft TDeb Specification - DEP-4. Current HTML form: http://people.debian.org/~codehelp/tdeb/ ... Discuss. just out of curiosity, is this still an active proposal, especially since

Re: DEP-4: The TDeb specification.

2011-04-03 Thread Neil Williams
On Sun, 3 Apr 2011 21:09:55 +0200 Helge Kreutzmann deb...@helgefjell.de wrote: Hello Neil, On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 04:13:15PM +, Neil Williams wrote: Time to launch the debate on the Draft TDeb Specification - DEP-4. Current HTML form: http://people.debian.org/~codehelp/tdeb/ ...

Re: DEP-4: The TDeb specification.

2009-04-07 Thread Neil Williams
On Mon, 06 Apr 2009 01:13:19 -0400 Filipus Klutiero chea...@gmail.com wrote: That would be a nice improvement, but let me suggest another implementation. To avoid introducing a second diff, why not updating the regular diff (in the case of non-native packages) but

Re: Re: DEP-4: The TDeb specification.

2009-04-05 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Neil Williams wrote: On Fri, 03 Apr 2009 16:45:46 -0400 Filipus Klutiero chea...@gmail.com wrote: [...] http://www.emdebian.org/media/debian-media/ That would be a nice improvement, but let me suggest another implementation. To avoid introducing a second diff, why not updating the

Re: Re: DEP-4: The TDeb specification.

2009-04-03 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Neil Williams wrote: On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 13:06:35 -0400 Filipus Klutiero chea...@gmail.com wrote: Neil Williams wrote: Primary Motivations (in order): 1. Updates to translations should not require source NMU's.

Re: DEP-4: The TDeb specification.

2009-04-03 Thread Neil Williams
On Fri, 03 Apr 2009 04:21:59 -0400 Filipus Klutiero chea...@gmail.com wrote: That would be a nice improvement, but let me suggest another implementation. To avoid introducing a second diff, why not updating the regular diff (in the case of non-native packages) but indicating that the

Re: DEP-4: The TDeb specification.

2009-04-03 Thread Ian Jackson
Neil Williams writes (Re: DEP-4: The TDeb specification.): On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 13:06:35 -0400 Filipus Klutiero chea...@gmail.com wrote: What is the purpose of creating a new binary package format for this (as opposed to reusing, say, the deb format)? To support easier management

Re: Re: DEP-4: The TDeb specification.

2009-04-03 Thread Filipus Klutiero
On Fri, 03 Apr 2009 04:21:59 -0400 Filipus Klutiero chea...@gmail.com wrote: That would be a nice improvement, but let me suggest another implementation. To avoid introducing a second diff, why not updating the regular diff (in the case of non-native packages) but indicating that the

Re: DEP-4: The TDeb specification.

2009-04-03 Thread Neil Williams
On Fri, 3 Apr 2009 18:46:48 +0100 Ian Jackson i...@davenant.greenend.org.uk wrote: Neil Williams writes (Re: DEP-4: The TDeb specification.): On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 13:06:35 -0400 Filipus Klutiero chea...@gmail.com wrote: What is the purpose of creating a new binary package format

Re: DEP-4: The TDeb specification.

2009-04-03 Thread Neil Williams
On Fri, 03 Apr 2009 16:45:46 -0400 Filipus Klutiero chea...@gmail.com wrote: Please note: All of the implementation details can wait until after Squeeze - all that is needed for this release cycle is that apt and dpkg can handle a migration from Squeeze to Squeeze+1 where packages being upgraded

Re: DEP-4: The TDeb specification.

2009-03-31 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Neil Williams wrote: Primary Motivations (in order): 1. Updates to translations should not require source NMU's. I guess that means avoiding to NMU with new diff.gz -s? If so, what are the underlying motivations? What is the purpose of creating a new binary package format for this (as

Re: DEP-4: The TDeb specification.

2009-03-31 Thread Neil Williams
On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 13:06:35 -0400 Filipus Klutiero chea...@gmail.com wrote: Neil Williams wrote: Primary Motivations (in order): 1. Updates to translations should not require source NMU's. I guess that means avoiding to NMU with new diff.gz -s? If so, what are the underlying

Re: DEP-4: The TDeb specification.

2009-03-19 Thread Jan Hauke Rahm
On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 10:31:29AM +, Neil Williams wrote: Why should 3.0 be any more difficult than 1.0 or anything that follows? (Not that I have any particular desire to use 3.0 or quilt myself.) 3.0 has to deal with incorporating patches and changes from the BTS, so +t1.diff.gz is no

Re: DEP-4: The TDeb specification.

2009-03-19 Thread Neil Williams
On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:35:59 +0100 Jan Hauke Rahm i...@jhr-online.de wrote: On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 10:31:29AM +, Neil Williams wrote: Why should 3.0 be any more difficult than 1.0 or anything that follows? (Not that I have any particular desire to use 3.0 or quilt myself.) 3.0 has to

Re: DEP-4: The TDeb specification.

2009-03-18 Thread Neil Williams
On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 00:26:30 -0500 Manoj Srivastava sriva...@debian.org wrote: On Tue, Mar 17 2009, Neil Williams wrote: Do you prevent mixing old and new .debs and .tdebs? Changes to translations use +t1.diff.gz etc. How do you merge data from a new package into the tdeb data?

Re: DEP-4: The TDeb specification.

2009-03-18 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 07:25:40AM +, Neil Williams a écrit : Maintainers will be creating TDebs in Squeeze+1, using debian/rules, using debhelper calls and uploading TDebs each time they would currently upload any package that contains /usr/share/locale/LC_*/ etc. Those TDebs are,

Re: DEP-4: The TDeb specification.

2009-03-18 Thread Neil Williams
On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 19:13:03 +0900 Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org wrote: Le Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 07:25:40AM +, Neil Williams a écrit : Maintainers will be creating TDebs in Squeeze+1, using debian/rules, using debhelper calls and uploading TDebs each time they would currently

Re: DEP-4: The TDeb specification.

2009-03-17 Thread Loïc Minier
Current HTML form: http://people.debian.org/~codehelp/tdeb/ So do I understand correctly that there might be one .tdeb per package and per language unless maintainers merge regularly the contents into their source packages? How many .tdebs files does that imply in the main archive? It

Re: DEP-4: The TDeb specification.

2009-03-17 Thread Neil Williams
On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 00:22:19 +0100 Loïc Minier l...@dooz.org wrote: Current HTML form: http://people.debian.org/~codehelp/tdeb/ So do I understand correctly that there might be one .tdeb per package and per language unless maintainers merge regularly the contents into their source

Re: DEP-4: The TDeb specification.

2009-03-17 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, Mar 17 2009, Neil Williams wrote: Do you prevent mixing old and new .debs and .tdebs? Changes to translations use +t1.diff.gz etc. How do you merge data from a new package into the tdeb data? The real question is how to get apt to understand getting the +t1.diff.gz when asked