Am 22.05.2013 18:12 schrieb Lucas Nussbaum lu...@debian.org:
On 22/05/13 at 14:45 +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le mercredi 22 mai 2013 à 08:16 +0200, Lucas Nussbaum a écrit :
- there are 300+ upstart job files ready to be imported from Ubuntu
When you compare the time it takes to
Le mercredi 22 mai 2013 à 09:41 -0700, Steve Langasek a écrit :
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 02:45:54PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
When you compare the time it takes to write an upstart job file or a
systemd unit file, to the time it takes to proprely test it, I don’t
think this argument
* Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org [2013-05-22 15:03]:
Le mercredi 22 mai 2013 à 08:16 +0200, Lucas Nussbaum a écrit :
- there are 300+ upstart job files ready to be imported from Ubuntu
When you compare the time it takes to write an upstart job file or a
systemd unit file, to the time it
Le mercredi 22 mai 2013 à 19:50 +0200, Martin Wuertele a écrit :
Actually it sounds like you propose to stop developing and take
everything from Redhat, Lennart, Gnome because it's there and they say
so.
Damn! I have been exposed.
I admit to everything. I am merely an artificial creature,
On 05/22/2013 06:41 PM, Steve Langasek wrote:
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 02:45:54PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le mercredi 22 mai 2013 à 08:16 +0200, Lucas Nussbaum a écrit :
- there are 300+ upstart job files ready to be imported from Ubuntu
When you compare the time it takes to write an
On 05/22/2013 07:50 PM, Martin Wuertele wrote:
Actually it sounds like you propose to stop developing and take
everything from Redhat, Lennart, Gnome because it's there and they say
so.
And another one. Why is it that almost anyone who isn't favor of
systemd is directly going off insulting
Martin Wuertele m...@debian.org writes:
* Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org [2013-05-22 15:03]:
When you compare the time it takes to write an upstart job file or a
systemd unit file, to the time it takes to proprely test it, I don’t
think this argument makes any sense. If the only things we
* John Paul Adrian Glaubitz glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de [2013-05-22 20:57]:
On 05/22/2013 07:50 PM, Martin Wuertele wrote:
Actually it sounds like you propose to stop developing and take
everything from Redhat, Lennart, Gnome because it's there and they say
so.
And another one. Why is it
* Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org [2013-05-22 20:45]:
Le mercredi 22 mai 2013 à 19:50 +0200, Martin Wuertele a écrit :
Seems to me that luckily not everybody agrees with that approach (CTTE
#681834, CTTE #688772)...
Fortunately the CTTE failed to expose me before you did, since they
Martin Wuertele m...@debian.org writes:
Seems like you haven't realised yet: only if a maintainer makes
controversal decisions and several others disagree such a case comes
before the CTTE.
Having decisions appealed to the CTTE is not a punishment. It just
indicates that a decision is
On 05/22/2013 06:19 PM, Steve Langasek wrote:
I'm skeptical of the value of such a design in place of just using
an initramfs, but the 'friendly-recovery' package in Ubuntu gives
an example of to do this.
live-config-upstart needs the same to be useful. personally i have no
experience with
Hi,
On 22/05/13 at 15:11 +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
On May 21, Lucas Nussbaum lu...@debian.org wrote:
We don't need to select a single init system at this point, and it would
As the maintainer of a package which is strongly tied to the init
system, I disagree.
Then, something I failed
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote:
Martin Wuertele m...@debian.org writes:
Seems like you haven't realised yet: only if a maintainer makes
controversal decisions and several others disagree such a case comes
before the CTTE.
Having decisions appealed to the
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 07:45:32PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le mercredi 22 mai 2013 à 09:41 -0700, Steve Langasek a écrit :
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 02:45:54PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
When you compare the time it takes to write an upstart job file or a
systemd unit file, to
Matthias wrote:
Am 22.05.2013 18:12 schrieb Lucas Nussbaum lu...@debian.org:
Note that if it's there, and Ubuntu uses upstart, it has probably been
tested. I was not suggesting that we blindly import upstart job files
from Ubuntu, but a basis to start from is better than no basis at all.
(I
On 2013-05-22 15:39:00 +0200, Bernd Schubert wrote:
On 05/22/2013 04:50 AM, Uoti Urpala wrote:
Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
I went through the various init systems threads again during the last
few days. My understanding of the consensus so far is the following:
- Both systemd and upstart bring
* As you may know, systemd is developed by a large amount of
contributors.
…as you may know, upstart is not only older than systemd, but is also used on a
large amount of live systems, probably many times more the number of systems
that
have systemd installed.*⁾
Best regards,
– Jubal
On 23/05/2013 02:35, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
Sure; obviously the right thing to do is to instead take stuff from GNOME
and freedesktop.org without regard to integration with our existing system,
because if Lennart says it's right it must be so.
Honestly, these personal accusations
I really like how this paragraph:
On 23/05/2013 02:41, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
[...]
And another one. Why is it that almost anyone who isn't favor of
systemd is directly going off insulting their developers or any
of the organizations behind of it?
and this paragraph:
Blame
On 22 May 2013 22:02, Chow Loong Jin hyper...@debian.org wrote:
[...] Bazaar (which seems to have been abandoned by
upstream with 2000 open bugs [1]) [...].
On the other hand, it would be nice if you keep your FUD to the minimum.
Bazaar
doesn't look abandoned[1], and 2000 open bugs is not
On 05/22/2013 04:53 AM, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
- Neither systemd nor upstart are likely to be ported to kfreebsd soon,
as they both rely on many Linux-specific features and interfaces.
Though it should be easy enough to port OpenRC to kFreeBSD and Hurd,
once it completes its support for the
Steve McIntyre st...@einval.com writes:
Matthias wrote:
Please also keep in mind that many upstream projects ship systemd service
files. Therefore, most of the systemd work is already done too.
Most? Really? Do you have stats for that?
Given the fact that sysvinit scripts are supported
On 05/23/2013 01:45 AM, Josselin Mouette wrote:
I understand it will be a pain for Ubuntu if Debian picks a different
init system. I don’t think this is relevant for the discussion, though.
It might be very relevant for many of us that our package works on
*both* Debian and Ubuntu (and other
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 11:31 PM, Jeremy Bicha jbi...@ubuntu.com wrote:
On 22 May 2013 22:02, Chow Loong Jin hyper...@debian.org wrote:
[...] Bazaar (which seems to have been abandoned by
upstream with 2000 open bugs [1]) [...].
On the other hand, it would be nice if you keep your FUD to the
On 05/23/2013 02:35 AM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
Honestly, these personal accusations against Lennart are getting old and
boring. Don't you really have any other good argument to bring up
against systemd other than you dislike *one* of the systemd developers?*
[...]
* As you may
On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 12:37:35AM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
Matthias wrote:
Am 22.05.2013 18:12 schrieb Lucas Nussbaum lu...@debian.org:
Note that if it's there, and Ubuntu uses upstart, it has probably been
tested. I was not suggesting that we blindly import upstart job files
from
Hi,
On 20/05/13 at 18:19 +0200, Michael Stapelberg wrote:
Hello,
In the past, we have had multiple heated discussions involving
systemd. We (the pkg-systemd-maintainers team) would like to better
understand why some people dislike systemd.
Therefore, we have created a survey, which you
Hi Lucas,
Lucas Nussbaum lu...@debian.org writes:
I think that one reason why we risk having another init systems
discussion is that there hasn't been (TTBOMK) a good effort to summarize
the various point raised and your answers (as systemd maintainers) to
them. Such a systemd demystification
Hi!
2013/5/21 Michael Stapelberg stapelb...@debian.org:
Hi Lucas,
Lucas Nussbaum lu...@debian.org writes:
I think that one reason why we risk having another init systems
discussion is that there hasn't been (TTBOMK) a good effort to summarize
the various point raised and your answers (as
Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
I went through the various init systems threads again during the last
few days. My understanding of the consensus so far is the following:
- Both systemd and upstart bring many useful features, and are a
clear improvement over sysvinit.
Yes, both are an improvement
101 - 130 of 130 matches
Mail list logo
