Re: Mozilla Foundation Trademarks

2005-06-24 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
Gervase Markham wrote: Then I'm slightly confused as to your concept of trademark infringement. If I label the car I've built as a Ford (even if it uses a lot of Ford parts), it infringes Ford's trademark. OTOH, as has been pointed out before in one of the many related threads, if I take a

Re: Mozilla Foundation Trademarks

2005-06-21 Thread Eric Dorland
* Michael K. Edwards ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On 6/19/05, Eric Dorland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Michael K. Edwards ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I wouldn't say accept it, I would say acknowledge the safety zone offered unilaterally by the Mozilla Foundation, and as a courtesy to them

Re: Mozilla Foundation Trademarks

2005-06-21 Thread Eric Dorland
* John Hasler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I wrote: If what we are doing does not actually infringe their trademark we would not be getting any special privileges. Eric Dorland writes: What we are doing already is against their trademark policy. We're being offered an agreement specific

Re: Mozilla Foundation Trademarks

2005-06-21 Thread Eric Dorland
* Eric Dorland ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I'd certainly be interested in trying to develop some sort of policy for Debian regarding trademarks. I'm not sure how much weight it could carry, but at least if people like the ideas. -- Eric Dorland [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: #61138586, Jabber:

Re: Mozilla Foundation Trademarks

2005-06-20 Thread John Hasler
Eric Dorland writes: We may be their friends, but that shouldn't give us special privileges. If what we are doing does not actually infringe their trademark we would not be getting any special privileges. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of

Re: Mozilla Foundation Trademarks

2005-06-20 Thread Eric Dorland
* John Hasler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Eric Dorland writes: We may be their friends, but that shouldn't give us special privileges. If what we are doing does not actually infringe their trademark we would not be getting any special privileges. What we are doing already is against their

Re: Mozilla Foundation Trademarks

2005-06-20 Thread John Hasler
I wrote: If what we are doing does not actually infringe their trademark we would not be getting any special privileges. Eric Dorland writes: What we are doing already is against their trademark policy. We're being offered an agreement specific to Debian to bypass that. I would call that

Re: Mozilla Foundation Trademarks

2005-06-19 Thread Eric Dorland
* Michael K. Edwards ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On 6/17/05, Eric Dorland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * John Hasler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Exactly. If Debian doesn't need such an arrangement, neither do our users. And if our users don't need such an arrangement, our accepting it does

Re: Mozilla Foundation Trademarks

2005-06-19 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 6/19/05, Eric Dorland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Michael K. Edwards ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I wouldn't say accept it, I would say acknowledge the safety zone offered unilaterally by the Mozilla Foundation, and as a courtesy to them make some effort to stay comfortably within it while

Re: Mozilla Foundation Trademarks

2005-06-19 Thread Eric Dorland
* John Hasler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Eric Dorland writes: If we don't need the arrangement, why exactly would we accept it anyway? Because they want it and it costs us nothing to give it to them. They are our friends. Let's accommodate them where we can. We may be their friends,

Re: Mozilla Foundation Trademarks

2005-06-18 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 6/17/05, Eric Dorland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * John Hasler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Exactly. If Debian doesn't need such an arrangement, neither do our users. And if our users don't need such an arrangement, our accepting it does not put us in a privileged position with respect to

Re: Mozilla Foundation Trademarks

2005-06-18 Thread John Hasler
Eric Dorland writes: If we don't need the arrangement, why exactly would we accept it anyway? Because they want it and it costs us nothing to give it to them. They are our friends. Let's accommodate them where we can. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a

Re: Mozilla Foundation Trademarks

2005-06-17 Thread Gervase Markham
John Hasler wrote: Alexander Sack writes: In general the part of the MoFo brand we are talking about is the product name (e.g. firefox, thunderbird, sunbird). From what I can recall now, it is used in the help menu, the about box, the package-name and the window title bar. I'm not convinced

Re: Mozilla Foundation Trademarks

2005-06-17 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 6/17/05, Gervase Markham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Hasler wrote: Alexander Sack writes: In general the part of the MoFo brand we are talking about is the product name (e.g. firefox, thunderbird, sunbird). From what I can recall now, it is used in the help menu, the about box, the

Re: Mozilla Foundation Trademarks

2005-06-17 Thread John Hasler
Gerv writes: If I label the car I've built as a Ford (even if it uses a lot of Ford parts), it infringes Ford's trademark. Not until you try to sell it. Ford Motor Company does not own the word 'Ford'. They merely have the exclusive right to sell automobiles (and related parts and services)

Re: Mozilla Foundation Trademarks

2005-06-17 Thread John Hasler
Michael writes: Debian doesn't need such an arrangement, as I argued in a previous thread six months ago; there's the Coty v. Prestonettes standard and all that. But IMHO it would be advisable for both sides if such an arrangement were reached. Exactly. If Debian doesn't need such an

Re: Mozilla Foundation Trademarks

2005-06-17 Thread Eric Dorland
* John Hasler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Michael writes: Debian doesn't need such an arrangement, as I argued in a previous thread six months ago; there's the Coty v. Prestonettes standard and all that. But IMHO it would be advisable for both sides if such an arrangement were reached.

Re: Mozilla Foundation Trademarks

2005-06-16 Thread Alexander Sack
Humberto Massa Guimares wrote: What trademarks are you referring to? Already the Debian packages don't use any of the trademarked images and logos? If we don't use any trademarked images, logos, or phrases, what exactly are we talking about here? As I think this is a very nice

Re: Mozilla Foundation Trademarks

2005-06-16 Thread John Hasler
Alexander Sack writes: In general the part of the MoFo brand we are talking about is the product name (e.g. firefox, thunderbird, sunbird). From what I can recall now, it is used in the help menu, the about box, the package-name and the window title bar. I'm not convinced that any of these