Re: Simplify installation of non-free? (was: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?)

2007-08-09 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Aug 09, Tim Hull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's actually not just ATI/nVidia - most wireless drivers are at least in part non-free. In my case, it's the madwifi drivers with their binary HAL. There's also the ipw2100/2200/3945/etc with the non-free firmware. Without The firmwares are not

Re: Simplify installation of non-free? (was: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?)

2007-08-09 Thread Darren Salt
I demand that Marco d'Itri may or may not have written... On Aug 09, Tim Hull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's actually not just ATI/nVidia - most wireless drivers are at least in part non-free. In my case, it's the madwifi drivers with their binary HAL. There's also the ipw2100/2200/3945/etc

Re: Simplify installation of non-free? (was: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?)

2007-08-09 Thread Ben Goodger
On 09/08/07, Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The objection is making it a priority over supporting free drivers or diverting people working on supporting vendors who provide DFSG free drivers by making it a distribution wide priority. The free drivers are perfectly well supported as

Re: Simplify installation of non-free? (was: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?)

2007-08-09 Thread Don Armstrong
On Thu, 09 Aug 2007, Ben Goodger wrote: I can outline precisely what needs to be done to make nvidia-glx, for example, bearable[1] (and it does not involve a specialised GUI, god forbid) but am in no position at all to do so :( Sure you are! Outlining exactly what needs to be done and filing

Re: Simplify installation of non-free? (was: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?)

2007-08-09 Thread David Nusinow
On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 10:34:01PM +0100, Ben Goodger wrote: I'm grossly underqualied in that respect, I fear. I can outline precisely what needs to be done to make nvidia-glx, for example, bearable[1] (and it does not involve a specialised GUI, god forbid) but am in no position at

Re: Simplify installation of non-free? (was: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?)

2007-08-08 Thread Ben Goodger
On 08/08/2007, Ben Finney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ben Goodger [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Simplifying the installation of non-free graphics card drivers should also be a priority, though not to the extent Canonical are currently planning. I strongly disagree. The installation of non-free

Re: Simplify installation of non-free? (was: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?)

2007-08-08 Thread Tim Hull
Oh, for the love of god, not more of this... If these (read: nvidia/ati) drivers were DFSG-compliant, they'd be included by default. Since this is not possible, it should be made as easy as possible to install them. The only thing is to ensure that it remains an opt-in, since people must

Re: Simplify installation of non-free? (was: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?)

2007-08-08 Thread Don Armstrong
On Wed, 08 Aug 2007, Ben Goodger wrote: On 08/08/2007, Ben Finney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Individual developers can work on non-free to their heart's content, but it should not get any priority from the Debian project. If these (read: nvidia/ati) drivers were DFSG-compliant, they'd be