Re: volunteers wanted for driving/finalizing a DEP on debian/copyright format

2008-12-04 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 01:04:14PM +, Noah Slater wrote: On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 01:50:22PM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 12:26:03PM +, Noah Slater wrote: How should we go about collecting to the contributers? Should I post a note to the wiki (alerting

Re: volunteers wanted for driving/finalizing a DEP on debian/copyright format

2008-12-04 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, Dec 03 2008, Noah Slater wrote: On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 10:52:39AM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: Why do you need a separate mailing list for a single proposal? Please discuss this on debian-devel or debian-project, which are already perfectly adequate lists for this. We have

Re: volunteers wanted for driving/finalizing a DEP on debian/copyright format

2008-12-03 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 07:16:44PM -0600, Raphael Geissert wrote: Except that debtags are right now for binary packages, whereas copyright is for source packages. Err, not quite right: Policy 4.5: Every package must be accompanied by a verbatim copy of its copyright and distribution

Re: volunteers wanted for driving/finalizing a DEP on debian/copyright format

2008-12-03 Thread Simon Josefsson
Stefano Zacchiroli [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The solution to your problem already exists (actually, it has been *designed* for that): http://wiki.debian.org/Proposals/CopyrightFormat , it just needs someone with the energy of finalizing the proposal (most likely via a DEP), so that is stops

Re: volunteers wanted for driving/finalizing a DEP on debian/copyright format

2008-12-03 Thread Noah Slater
Hey, On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 12:25:20PM +0100, Simon Josefsson wrote: Stefano Zacchiroli [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The solution to your problem already exists (actually, it has been *designed* for that): http://wiki.debian.org/Proposals/CopyrightFormat , it just needs someone with the

Re: volunteers wanted for driving/finalizing a DEP on debian/copyright format

2008-12-03 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 11:49:25AM +, Noah Slater wrote: To get this started we need a mailing list and a repository, then we can place a notice on the wiki directing people to the mailing list and make the wiki page immutable so that there is no confusion. Come on, do you really need all

Re: volunteers wanted for driving/finalizing a DEP on debian/copyright format

2008-12-03 Thread Noah Slater
On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 01:05:56PM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 11:49:25AM +, Noah Slater wrote: To get this started we need a mailing list and a repository, then we can place a notice on the wiki directing people to the mailing list and make the wiki page

Re: volunteers wanted for driving/finalizing a DEP on debian/copyright format

2008-12-03 Thread Enrico Zini
On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 09:46:29PM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 07:30:54PM +0100, Miriam Ruiz wrote: We should somehow tag those conflictive licenses with debtags, so that users can filter out the ones they don't wont easily. I don't object [...] Except that

Re: volunteers wanted for driving/finalizing a DEP on debian/copyright format

2008-12-03 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 12:18:35PM +, Enrico Zini wrote: The wish for encoding licenses in debtags categories periodically shows up, so I collected some pointers to old discussions in the FAQ:

Re: volunteers wanted for driving/finalizing a DEP on debian/copyright format

2008-12-03 Thread Simon Josefsson
Noah Slater [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hey, On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 12:25:20PM +0100, Simon Josefsson wrote: Stefano Zacchiroli [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The solution to your problem already exists (actually, it has been *designed* for that):

Re: volunteers wanted for driving/finalizing a DEP on debian/copyright format

2008-12-03 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 12:26:03PM +, Noah Slater wrote: How should we go about collecting to the contributers? Should I post a note to the wiki (alerting the subscribers) about this, and if so, where to direct people for collaboration? It is up to you. From a management point of view, I

Re: volunteers wanted for driving/finalizing a DEP on debian/copyright format

2008-12-03 Thread Noah Slater
On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 12:57:33PM +0100, Simon Josefsson wrote: As one of the primary contributers to the copyright proposal I would obviously like to be involved in its ratification. I am guessing some of the other main contributers would like to be involved too. Great, then maybe

Re: volunteers wanted for driving/finalizing a DEP on debian/copyright format

2008-12-03 Thread Noah Slater
On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 01:50:22PM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 12:26:03PM +, Noah Slater wrote: How should we go about collecting to the contributers? Should I post a note to the wiki (alerting the subscribers) about this, and if so, where to direct people

Re: volunteers wanted for driving/finalizing a DEP on debian/copyright format

2008-12-03 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 11:49:25AM +, Noah Slater wrote: As one of the primary contributers to the copyright proposal I would obviously like to be involved in its ratification. I am guessing some of the other main contributers would like to be involved too. To get this started we need a

Re: volunteers wanted for driving/finalizing a DEP on debian/copyright format

2008-12-03 Thread Noah Slater
On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 10:52:39AM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 11:49:25AM +, Noah Slater wrote: As one of the primary contributers to the copyright proposal I would obviously like to be involved in its ratification. I am guessing some of the other main

Re: volunteers wanted for driving/finalizing a DEP on debian/copyright format

2008-12-03 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 08:52:17PM +, Noah Slater a écrit : We have struggled enough with the proposal as it is. My fear is that discussing it on debian-devel will open it up to fire-and-forget criticism that lacks context of previous discussions, is poorly thought out, results in

Re: volunteers wanted for driving/finalizing a DEP on debian/copyright format

2008-12-03 Thread Noah Slater
On Thu, Dec 04, 2008 at 09:50:15AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: Rendez-vous after Lenny release on -devel :) Heh heh. Sure thing, Charles. -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL

Re: volunteers wanted for driving/finalizing a DEP on debian/copyright format

2008-12-02 Thread Miriam Ruiz
2008/12/2 Stefano Zacchiroli [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [ M-F-T set to -devel ] On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 07:30:54PM +0100, Miriam Ruiz wrote: We should somehow tag those conflictive licenses with debtags, so that users can filter out the ones they don't wont easily. I don't object Except that

Re: volunteers wanted for driving/finalizing a DEP on debian/copyright format

2008-12-02 Thread James Vega
On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 09:51:04PM +0100, Miriam Ruiz wrote: 2008/12/2 Stefano Zacchiroli [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [ M-F-T set to -devel ] On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 07:30:54PM +0100, Miriam Ruiz wrote: We should somehow tag those conflictive licenses with debtags, so that users can filter out

Re: volunteers wanted for driving/finalizing a DEP on debian/copyright format

2008-12-02 Thread Drake Wilson
Quoth Miriam Ruiz [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 2008-12-02 21:51:04 +0100: Well, not exactly, you cannot easily see the copyright file before installing the package, can you? p.d.o appears to permit viewing copyright files of packages currently in the archive. As an example:

Re: volunteers wanted for driving/finalizing a DEP on debian/copyright format

2008-12-02 Thread Miriam Ruiz
2008/12/2 Drake Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Quoth Miriam Ruiz [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 2008-12-02 21:51:04 +0100: Well, not exactly, you cannot easily see the copyright file before installing the package, can you? p.d.o appears to permit viewing copyright files of packages currently in the

Re: volunteers wanted for driving/finalizing a DEP on debian/copyright format

2008-12-02 Thread Karl Goetz
On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 22:36:15 +0100 Miriam Ruiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/12/2 Drake Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Quoth Miriam Ruiz [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 2008-12-02 21:51:04 +0100: Well, not exactly, you cannot easily see the copyright file before installing the package, can you? p.d.o

Re: volunteers wanted for driving/finalizing a DEP on debian/copyright format

2008-12-02 Thread Miriam Ruiz
2008/12/2 Karl Goetz [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Would something like apt-listbugs work? I know it doesnt address the offline issue, but seems to fit as a concept for the rest of the problem. Yep, that should be enough, as long as there is a way (with some possible development in the future) for a

Re: volunteers wanted for driving/finalizing a DEP on debian/copyright format

2008-12-02 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Miriam Ruiz dijo [Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 09:51:04PM +0100]: The solution to your problem already exists (actually, it has been *designed* for that): http://wiki.debian.org/Proposals/CopyrightFormat , it just needs someone with the energy of finalizing the proposal (most likely via a DEP), so

Re: volunteers wanted for driving/finalizing a DEP on debian/copyright format

2008-12-02 Thread Raphael Geissert
Miriam Ruiz wrote: 2008/12/2 Karl Goetz [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Would something like apt-listbugs work? I know it doesnt address the offline issue, but seems to fit as a concept for the rest of the problem. Yep, that should be enough, as long as there is a way (with some possible development

Re: volunteers wanted for driving/finalizing a DEP on debian/copyright format

2008-12-02 Thread Raphael Geissert
Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: [...] Except that debtags are right now for binary packages, whereas copyright is for source packages. Err, not quite right: Policy 4.5: Every package must be accompanied by a verbatim copy of its copyright and distribution license in the file