Re: Relation between Suggests and Enhances

2009-08-24 Thread Andreas Tille
On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 01:16:58AM +0200, Steffen Moeller wrote on debian-med list[1] but the discussion should be here on debian-devel (Reply-To is set): Once we are at the topic of web tools: I'm really waiting for an answer from you why you think that mgltools fit in your categories

Re: Relation between Suggests and Enhances

2009-08-21 Thread Sven Mueller
Gunnar Wolf schrieb: James Westby dijo [Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 01:44:49AM +0100]: I see it as an almost bi-directional relationship, but one that allows you to add it to the package that cares about it more. I agree with your analysis. But, if this is the case, the treatment should be

Re: Relation between Suggests and Enhances

2009-08-21 Thread Christoph Egger
Sven Mueller schrieb: Comming back to icedove, an example would be the calendar plugin (which is not in Debian as far as I know). You're thinking of iceowl-extension I guess? Using it here and it's definitely in Debian ;) Regards, Sven Christoph -- /\ ASCII Ribbon : GPG-Key ID:

Re: Relation between Suggests and Enhances

2009-08-19 Thread Eugene V. Lyubimkin
Andreas Tille wrote: I even failed to grep man apt-get for the string suggests so I think I can not do something like apt-get --include-suggest install -o 'Apt::Install-Suggests=1' -- Eugene V. Lyubimkin aka JackYF, JID: jackyf.devel(maildog)gmail.com C++/Perl developer, Debian

Re: Relation between Suggests and Enhances

2009-08-19 Thread Andreas Tille
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 11:35:10AM +0300, Eugene V. Lyubimkin wrote: apt-get --include-suggest install -o 'Apt::Install-Suggests=1' Ahh, I remember I was formerly wondering about this option which might be not easy enough to find. But anyway, my main question was whether there is a

Re: Relation between Suggests and Enhances

2009-08-19 Thread Eugene V. Lyubimkin
Andreas Tille wrote: On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 11:35:10AM +0300, Eugene V. Lyubimkin wrote: apt-get --include-suggest install -o 'Apt::Install-Suggests=1' Ahh, I remember I was formerly wondering about this option which might be not easy enough to find. But anyway, my main question was

Re: Relation between Suggests and Enhances

2009-08-19 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Wed, 19 Aug 2009, Eugene V. Lyubimkin wrote: Ahh, I remember I was formerly wondering about this option which might be not easy enough to find. But anyway, my main question was whether there is a technical implementation of the *Enhances* field. Personally, I'd would never set even

Re: Relation between Suggests and Enhances

2009-08-19 Thread Andreas Tille
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 11:26:24AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: How do you imagine a technical implementation of a 'Enhances' field? Something like 'apt::install-enhances'? I do not *want* this personally - I just wanted to know if any tool makes use of this field in some way. The

Re: Relation between Suggests and Enhances

2009-08-19 Thread Gunnar Wolf
James Westby dijo [Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 01:44:49AM +0100]: Yet a package of a plugin should surely have a ‘Depends’ relationship to the application package. Adding an ‘Enhances’ relationship seems redundant in that case. No, there are plenty of packages which depend on another without

Relation between Suggests and Enhances

2009-08-18 Thread Andreas Tille
Hi, in the Debian Pure Blends effort we were wondering about relations of packages and what an Enhances relation actually means. Debian Policy says: `Enhances' This field is similar to Suggests but works in the opposite direction. It is used to declare that a package

Re: Relation between Suggests and Enhances

2009-08-18 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 09:13:42PM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: What exactly means similar. Assume package foo enhances package bar. Does this mean that in turn package bar should Suggest package foo or is this conclusion not really valid? As I understand it, A enhances B has (more or less)

Re: Relation between Suggests and Enhances

2009-08-18 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 22:36 +0300, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote: On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 09:13:42PM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: What exactly means similar. Assume package foo enhances package bar. Does this mean that in turn package bar should Suggest package foo or is this conclusion not

Re: Relation between Suggests and Enhances

2009-08-18 Thread Ben Finney
Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk writes: On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 22:36 +0300, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote: As I understand it, A enhances B has (more or less) the same effect as B suggests A. Thus, the reverse Suggests relation would be redundant. A plugin enhances the application it

Re: Relation between Suggests and Enhances

2009-08-18 Thread James Westby
Ben Finney wrote: Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk writes: On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 22:36 +0300, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote: As I understand it, A enhances B has (more or less) the same effect as B suggests A. Thus, the reverse Suggests relation would be redundant. A plugin enhances the

Re: Relation between Suggests and Enhances

2009-08-18 Thread Ben Finney
James Westby jw+deb...@jameswestby.net writes: Ben Finney wrote: Yet a package of a plugin should surely have a ‘Depends’ relationship to the application package. Adding an ‘Enhances’ relationship seems redundant in that case. No, there are plenty of packages which depend on another

Re: Relation between Suggests and Enhances

2009-08-18 Thread Andreas Tille
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 01:44:49AM +0100, James Westby wrote: I see it as an almost bi-directional relationship, but one that allows you to add it to the package that cares about it more. So the answers somehow draw a sketch about the concept behind the Enhances field - but is it technically