Re: Release management conclusions

2006-09-14 Thread Andreas Schuldei
* Matthew Wilcox ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060914 14:02]: On Wed, Sep 13, 2006 at 10:38:39AM +0300, Fabian Fagerholm wrote: However, the most recent publications indicate that volunteer incentive is not a well understood area of economics. In fact, it's one of the hot topics that economists are

Re: Update release management

2001-04-23 Thread Petr Cech
On Sun, Apr 22, 2001 at 11:23:43AM +0100 , Michel Salim wrote: Hello, I apologise if this is considered off-topic - might be barking up the wrong tree in the wrong forest here - but bringing up an old issue here of release frequency, once the transition to using package pools and the new

Update release management

2001-04-22 Thread Michel Salim
Hello, I apologise if this is considered off-topic - might be barking up the wrong tree in the wrong forest here - but bringing up an old issue here of release frequency, once the transition to using package pools and the new debian-installer is done, would it be reasonable to expect Debian

Re: Release management - technical

1998-06-23 Thread Luis Francisco Gonzalez
Enrique Zanardi wrote: On Mon, Jun 22, 1998 at 01:38:21PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: Enrique Zanardi writes (Re: Release management - technical): On Tue, Jun 09, 1998 at 04:21:57PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: ... I think we can only do one of these. With hamm we're doing the latter

Re: Release management - technical

1998-06-22 Thread Ian Jackson
Enrique Zanardi writes (Re: Release management - technical): On Tue, Jun 09, 1998 at 04:21:57PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: ... I think we can only do one of these. With hamm we're doing the latter; in the future I think we should do the former. Fine, as long as we have some long term goals

Re: Release management - technical

1998-06-22 Thread Craig Sanders
On Mon, 22 Jun 1998, Ian Jackson wrote: We should continue to have `long term goals', and I applaud people who work towards them, but we must be able to make a release even when they are not met. It is better to have a release now and goals later than no release now and goals later ! and

Re: Release management - technical

1998-06-22 Thread Meskes, Michael
! | Fax: (+49) 2405/4670-10 -Original Message- From: Craig Sanders [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 22, 1998 4:17 PM To: Ian Jackson Subject:Re: Release management - technical anyway, what i really wanted to say here

Re: Release management - technical

1998-06-22 Thread Enrique Zanardi
On Mon, Jun 22, 1998 at 01:38:21PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: Enrique Zanardi writes (Re: Release management - technical): On Tue, Jun 09, 1998 at 04:21:57PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: ... I think we can only do one of these. With hamm we're doing the latter; in the future I think we

Re: Release management - technical

1998-06-22 Thread Grant Bowman
At 5:38 AM -0700 6/22/98, Ian Jackson wrote: David Engel writes (Re: Release management - technical): On Tue, Jun 09, 1998 at 04:21:57PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: Q. What are we trying to achieve ? A. There are two possibilities that I can see - Timely and good-quality releases

Re: Release management - technical

1998-06-11 Thread Andreas Jellinghaus
Incoming - unstable - unreleased - stable 100% agree. some times unstable is so stable, that many people use it. this is bad, if it's stable, it should have been released. some times unstable is absolutelyy not useable, and it breaks my system (grep bug, bash bug, new xxx without new

Re: Release management - technical

1998-06-11 Thread LeRoy D. Cressy
Ian Jackson wrote: I think that in order to make sense of what's being said here we need to step back a bit, and think about abstractions rather than implementation. Lots of people (myself included) have been posting rather detailed proposals. Q. What are we trying to achieve ? A.

Re: Release management - technical

1998-06-10 Thread David Engel
On Tue, Jun 09, 1998 at 04:21:57PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: Q. What are we trying to achieve ? A. There are two possibilities that I can see - Timely and good-quality releases, or - Releases which meet some predefined set of goals. I think we can only do one of these. With hamm

Release management - politics

1998-06-09 Thread Ian Jackson - Debian Project Leader
Just briefly: we will _not_ be voting on release process/ architecture. This is a technical decision, and is therefore up to the developers concerned (Brian, mainly), and the Technical Committee. Technical design and decisions must not be left to a vote. I'll be making another posting about

Release management - technical

1998-06-09 Thread Ian Jackson
that I can see - Timely and good-quality releases, or - Releases which meet some predefined set of goals. I think we can only do one of these. With hamm we're doing the latter; in the future I think we should do the former. Most people seem to be in agreement that the release management

Re: Release management - technical

1998-06-09 Thread Bdale Garbee
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote: : We need to think about what kinds of thing need to happen to a package : or to a distribution before we release it as `stable'. Yes. I find it impossible to completely divorce the conceptual model from any reference to details of the present or any

Re: Release management - technical

1998-06-09 Thread Enrique Zanardi
On Tue, Jun 09, 1998 at 04:21:57PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: I think that in order to make sense of what's being said here we need to step back a bit, and think about abstractions rather than implementation. Lots of people (myself included) have been posting rather detailed proposals. Q.

Re: Release management

1996-06-30 Thread Craig Sanders
On Tue, 25 Jun 1996, Scott Barker wrote: Ian Jackson said: We *must* provide a tree which contains only the most rcently bug-fixed versions of everything, and we *must not* require people to download broken packages only to have to download good ones too. ok. This is important, and I

Re: Release management and package announcements

1995-11-01 Thread Ian Murdock
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 95 13:16 GMT From: Ian Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ian Murdock writes (Re: Release management and package announcements): Are we going to start with an a.out 1.0 and migrate to an ELF 1.0? If so, I'd agree that this is what we should do (and what I'll do if we

Re: Release management and package announcements

1995-11-01 Thread J.H.M.Dassen
From: Ian Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ian Murdock writes (Re: Release management and package announcements): Are we going to start with an a.out 1.0 and migrate to an ELF 1.0? If so, I'd agree that this is what we should do (and what I'll do if we all think this is the best

Re: Release management and package announcements

1995-11-01 Thread Bill Mitchell
Ian Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Somehow the FTP site maintainer's programs also need to know which section (subdirectory) the files should go in. I suggest that this information be provided by the `overrides' file on the FTP site, which is already used by the npdpkg

Re: Release management and package announcements

1995-11-01 Thread Ian Jackson
Bill Mitchell writes (Re: Release management and package announcements): Ian Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Somehow the FTP site maintainer's programs also need to know which section (subdirectory) the files should go in. I suggest that this information be provided

Re: Release management and package announcements

1995-11-01 Thread Bill Mitchell
Agreed. I don't think the location should be decided by individual package maintainers, though they will be free to suggest a location. The Section field from the control file can be used for this. If the SECTION field is not going to reliably contain the section name where

Re: Release management and package announcements

1995-11-01 Thread Ian Murdock
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 95 22:05 GMT From: Ian Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bruce Perens writes (Re: debian-1.0 ): [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: it might create problems for the mirrors. I think that while it is in its current state, 1.0 should not be where mirrors will find it

Re: Release management and package announcements

1995-10-31 Thread Ian Murdock
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 95 01:04 GMT From: Ian Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] If this is true then we need to copy the whole of the binary area from 0.93 to 1.0, so that 1.0 instantly becomes the `bleeding-edge' distribution. Are we going to start with an a.out 1.0 and migrate to an ELF 1.0?

Re: Release management and package announcements

1995-10-29 Thread Bill Mitchell
On Sun, 29 Oct 1995, Ian Jackson wrote: We need to decide what information the package maintainer needs to supply to the FTP site maintainer for the correct placement of the package. [...] I don't particularly care about how this is represented in the (machine-readable) dchanges format,

Release management and package announcements

1995-10-28 Thread Ian Jackson
There is, I think, an overlap between the release management strategy and the package announcement format thread. We need to decide what information the package maintainer needs to supply to the FTP site maintainer for the correct placement of the package. Can I take it that following the thread