On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 05:10:26 +0200, Sven Mueller wrote:
Heck, If I were a DD, I would be glad to help whereever needed. The most
pressing bits seem to be (from my POV):
1) buildd network (especially because of sarge/security)
2) ftpmaster (seems to be overwhelmed in work for months now)
3)
On Mon, Oct 25, 2004 at 12:19:05AM -0400, Andres Salomon wrote:
4) security team (though I'm not sure how bad the situation is)
So, if my help is wanted with one of the first three of those, I will
gladly file a NM application immediately.
Afaict, James processes NM apps
On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 22:40:58 +0200, Matthias Urlichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Hi, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
Again, are you volunteering to go out and learn how to do it? Or
is this yet another time wasting rant?
Heck, If I were a DD, I would be glad to help whereever
needed. The
Ah. Just
On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 00:30:37 +0200, Sven Mueller [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Manoj Srivastava [u] wrote on 23/10/2004 21:43:
I must admit I thought something similar: Why the hell are there
only two people who know how to do it, when two people doesn't
seem to be enough?
Are you volunteering to
On Sun, Oct 24, 2004 at 03:29:35AM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote:
But I think you're right... it's not about getting work done, it's about
politics and a orwellian all users are equal, DDs are more equal nonsense.
With every day passing by, it seems even more clearly to me that Debian has
Hi, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
Are you, then, setting up a system for the security team to be
able to build packages for testing? (you did mention you needed no
further help from anybody). Is there a reason you are not indeed
putting things in place?
I already have, as far as
Ingo Juergensmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
IIRC, you're one of those Ubuntus, right? No more to be said then...
I am not an employee of Canonical, and nor have I ever been.
--
Matthew Garrett | [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sun, Oct 24, 2004 at 01:14:25PM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote:
IIRC, you're one of those Ubuntus, right? No more to be said then...
I am not an employee of Canonical, and nor have I ever been.
Ok, sorry then for that point.
--
Ciao... //
Ingo \X/
On Sat, Oct 23, 2004 at 02:43:18PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 05:10:26 +0200, Sven Mueller [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Ingo Juergensmann [u] wrote on 22/10/2004 18:35:
On Fri, Oct 22, 2004 at 06:13:46PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote:
Because they have set up and
On Fri, 22 Oct 2004, Martin Schulze wrote:
Jan Niehusmann wrote:
Question to the security team: What's holding back security support for
sarge? (This is not a complaint - I'm just curious)
It still (as written on -project one or two weeks ago) lacks the
infrastructure as in a working
[Don Armstrong]
Is there anything that those of us who are not these two people can
do to help with this, short of not bothering them about it?
I'm not sure how to help on the infrastructure.
But if you want to help with securing sarge/testing, you can help Joey
Hess and the rest of us
On Fri, Oct 22, 2004 at 10:34:07PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote:
Is there anything that those of us who are not these two people can do
to help with this, short of not bothering them about it?
I'm not sure where the two people figure comes from; I assume it's
supposed to be referring to James and
Ingo Juergensmann [u] wrote on 22/10/2004 18:35:
On Fri, Oct 22, 2004 at 06:13:46PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote:
Because they have set up and maintain the buildd network.
Yes, nice, well done, thank them for their initial work, but it seems as if
it's up for others now to take over that job,
On Sat, Oct 23, 2004 at 05:10:26AM +0200, Sven Mueller wrote:
Because they have set up and maintain the buildd network.
Yes, nice, well done, thank them for their initial work, but it seems as if
it's up for others now to take over that job, because they obviously
failing continuously doing
On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 05:10:26 +0200, Sven Mueller [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Ingo Juergensmann [u] wrote on 22/10/2004 18:35:
On Fri, Oct 22, 2004 at 06:13:46PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote:
Because they have set up and maintain the buildd network.
Yes, nice, well done, thank them for their
Hi, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
Again, are you volunteering to go out and learn how to do it?
Or is this yet another time wasting rant?
Heck, If I were a DD, I would be glad to help whereever needed. The
Ah. Just a spectator, booing and hissing at the people who
have stood up
Hi, Anthony Towns wrote:
doing the work /first/ is the obvious way of demonstrating that the offer
will actually get followed up;
... assuming that there's any work that *can* be done without having
access.
Case in point: I would very much like to set up the required buildd
environments on
On Sat, Oct 23, 2004 at 10:52:27PM +0200, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
You want to help? Start by buying your own mips machine! isn't going to
cut it. Besides, I already (and gladly) did that, for m68k.
You don't need to do that. There're plenty of machines available - albeit
outside the debian.org
Hi, Ingo Juergensmann wrote:
You don't need to do that. There're plenty of machines available - albeit
outside the debian.org domain...
Ingo, this is about the *security* autobuilders. There's a reason why
Debian cannot do that with machines it doesn't control.
--
Matthias Urlichs |
On Sun, Oct 24, 2004 at 12:01:46AM +0200, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
You don't need to do that. There're plenty of machines available - albeit
outside the debian.org domain...
Ingo, this is about the *security* autobuilders. There's a reason why
Debian cannot do that with machines it doesn't
Hi, Ingo Juergensmann wrote:
Funny. Arrakis were used heavily in the past for security builds as
well. Otherweise I have no idea where all those security team logins on
arrakis come from?
I'd assume that there's a *slight* difference between somebody, who
doesn't (necessarily) have any
, who
doesn't (necessarily) have any privileges, logs on and specifically builds
something, and an unattended autobuilder.
Well, the main difference I see is, that there are still no security updates
for sarge/testing. For the user it's irrelevant if the security updates was
built by a person
Manoj Srivastava [u] wrote on 23/10/2004 21:43:
I must admit I thought something similar: Why the hell are there
only two people who know how to do it, when two people doesn't seem
to be enough?
Are you volunteering to go out and better educate yourself to
take on this work?
You know
And without starting a flamewar, ...
Yep, I thought it looked too good to be true.
b.
Ingo Juergensmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But I think you're right... it's not about getting work done, it's about
politics and a orwellian all users are equal, DDs are more equal nonsense.
With every day passing by, it seems even more clearly to me that Debian has
lost its basics and has
On Fri, Oct 22, 2004 at 10:20:51AM +0200, Jérôme Marant wrote:
Debian developers, on the contrary, run unstable and rarely run
testing, which means that they don't really know about the shape
of what they release.
I would immediately upgrade at least one, probably more, woody machines
to sarge
[Jan Niehusmann]
Question to the security team: What's holding back security support
for sarge? (This is not a complaint - I'm just curious)
Debian-edu is trying to form a separate security team for
debian/testing, working on keeping the testing distribution secure in
paralell with the
* Jan Niehusmann ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [041022 11:10]:
Question to the security team: What's holding back security support for
sarge? (This is not a complaint - I'm just curious)
There are no autobuilders for testing-security. See the latest release
update
Jan Niehusmann wrote:
Question to the security team: What's holding back security support for
sarge? (This is not a complaint - I'm just curious)
It still (as written on -project one or two weeks ago) lacks the
infrastructure as in a working buildd network that processes the
target
Joey writes:
Jan Niehusmann wrote:
Question to the security team: What's holding back security support for
sarge? (This is not a complaint - I'm just curious)
It still (as written on -project one or two weeks ago) lacks the
infrastructure as in a working buildd network that processes the
target
* Andreas Barth:
There are no autobuilders for testing-security.
So what's missing at this stage? Machines? An active local system
administrator? Or someone who is trusted enough to integrate the
buildds into the security build infrastructure?
If it's machines or the local system
Le vendredi 22 octobre 2004 11:26 +0200, Martin Schulze a crit :
It still (as written on -project one or two weeks ago) lacks the
infrastructure as in a working buildd network that processes the
target ``testing-security''. This is something that two people in
Debian can set up. (This is
Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le vendredi 22 octobre 2004 à 11:26 +0200, Martin Schulze a écrit :
It still (as written on -project one or two weeks ago) lacks the
infrastructure as in a working buildd network that processes the
target ``testing-security''. This is something that two people in
On Fri, Oct 22, 2004 at 06:13:46PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote:
Because they have set up and maintain the buildd network.
Yes, nice, well done, thank them for their initial work, but it seems as if
it's up for others now to take over that job, because they obviously failing
continuously doing
Hi, Martin Schulze wrote:
Because they have set up and maintain the buildd network.
Other people have set up, and are maintaining, their very own buildd
networks, and thus might be assumed to be qualified to add t-s support
and/or whatever else is missing.
Me, for example. (I think I've
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