Software Patents: Was: Re: Re: Is anyone packaging `lame' ?

2006-06-02 Thread Chris Walters
The existing European software patents were granted based on the assumption that you can differentiate between a computer program and its underlying ideas. I think such a distinction is indeed possible, and granting theese patents does not contradict Article 52. But I strongly believe that

Re: Software Patents: Was: Re: Re: Is anyone packaging `lame' ?

2006-06-02 Thread Reinhard Tartler
Chris Walters wrote: Software code can be copyrighted, but that is an easy thing to get around - even if you got your original idea from some copyrighted code. Patents are not easy to get around. They totally protect all implementations of the procedures used to do x (whatever x is). Only

Re: Software Patents: Was: Re: Re: Is anyone packaging `lame' ?

2006-06-02 Thread Cesare Leonardi
Reinhard Tartler wrote: I don't think debian has decided on a more or less 'official' position regarding software patents. There many packages in debian, which are suspected to implement many ideas described by software patents. I don't know of any case were debian had to explain in court. This

Re: Software Patents: Was: Re: Re: Is anyone packaging `lame' ?

2006-06-02 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Fri, Jun 02, 2006 at 05:23:51PM +0200, Cesare Leonardi wrote: I am for the radical way, to keep Debian completely free, libre. If I'm understanding you correctly on this (i.e. remove from Debian every software which has parts covered by software patents), this is a complete nonsense. It will

Re: Software Patents: Was: Re: Re: Is anyone packaging `lame' ?

2006-06-02 Thread Chris Walters
Reinhard Tartler wrote: Only if they are enforcable in court. Regarding many multimedia related software, there is indeed an ugly lot of software patents around, and it is very unclear if they would succeed in court if somebody would distribute software which implement ideas described by a

Re: Software Patents: Was: Re: Re: Is anyone packaging `lame' ?

2006-06-02 Thread Osamu Aoki
I claim not being expert on this subject. But this argument seems rehash of ones done in debian-legal and debian-user. On Fri, Jun 02, 2006 at 05:23:51PM +0200, Cesare Leonardi wrote: ... Remaining on the multimedia side, if mp3 is covered by numerous patents that implementing a codec cannot

Re: Software Patents: Was: Re: Re: Is anyone packaging `lame' ?

2006-06-02 Thread Cesare Leonardi
Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Fri, Jun 02, 2006 at 05:23:51PM +0200, Cesare Leonardi wrote: I am for the radical way, to keep Debian completely free, libre. If I'm understanding you correctly on this (i.e. remove from Debian every software which has parts covered by software patents), this is