Re: Status of 'sarge' for the amd64 architecture

2005-05-03 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Adrian Bunk [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 11:50:30AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: 1. release team Another arch to sync. And, as with every arch, there would be some packages that fail just there. There are still a lot of amd64 specific FTBFS bugs (lots of them

Re: Status of 'sarge' for the amd64 architecture

2005-05-02 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 11:50:30AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Adrian Bunk [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sorry, but I still don't understand it: You could continue to offer the complete archive as it is today, and it shouldn't be a big amount of work to offer one or more partial

Re: Status of 'sarge' for the amd64 architecture

2005-04-30 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Adrian Bunk [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sorry, but I still don't understand it: You could continue to offer the complete archive as it is today, and it shouldn't be a big amount of work to offer one or more partial archives (e.g. only stable or only i386) from different locations - and a

Re: Status of 'sarge' for the amd64 architecture

2005-04-29 Thread Martin Waitz
hoi :) On Mon, Apr 25, 2005 at 05:22:53PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: Why not? removing arm from testing does not change at all the number of binary arm packages being pushed each day, as the packages between testing and unstable are shared (and only few packages go in via t-p-u). So, the

Re: Status of 'sarge' for the amd64 architecture

2005-04-29 Thread Andreas Barth
* Martin Waitz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050429 15:40]: On Mon, Apr 25, 2005 at 05:22:53PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: Why not? removing arm from testing does not change at all the number of binary arm packages being pushed each day, as the packages between testing and unstable are shared (and

Re: Status of 'sarge' for the amd64 architecture

2005-04-29 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Martin Waitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: hoi :) On Mon, Apr 25, 2005 at 05:22:53PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: Why not? removing arm from testing does not change at all the number of binary arm packages being pushed each day, as the packages between testing and unstable are shared (and only

Re: Status of 'sarge' for the amd64 architecture

2005-04-29 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Fri, Apr 29, 2005 at 03:50:37PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: * Martin Waitz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050429 15:40]: On Mon, Apr 25, 2005 at 05:22:53PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: Why not? removing arm from testing does not change at all the number of binary arm packages being pushed each

Re: Status of 'sarge' for the amd64 architecture

2005-04-25 Thread Steve Greenland
On 23-Apr-05, 17:24 (CDT), Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Beyond the fact that it is too late to add another architecture for sarge, removing arm from sarge does not make the mirror pulses much smaller - and AFAIK the size of the mirror pulses is the main problem. See, that just makes

Re: Status of 'sarge' for the amd64 architecture

2005-04-25 Thread Jeroen van Wolffelaar
On Mon, Apr 25, 2005 at 09:24:28AM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote: On 23-Apr-05, 17:24 (CDT), Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Beyond the fact that it is too late to add another architecture for sarge, removing arm from sarge does not make the mirror pulses much smaller - and AFAIK the

Re: Status of 'sarge' for the amd64 architecture

2005-04-25 Thread Andreas Barth
* Steve Greenland ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050425 16:45]: On 23-Apr-05, 17:24 (CDT), Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Beyond the fact that it is too late to add another architecture for sarge, removing arm from sarge does not make the mirror pulses much smaller - and AFAIK the size of

Re: Status of 'sarge' for the amd64 architecture

2005-04-25 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 25 avril 2005 à 16:54 +0200, Jeroen van Wolffelaar a écrit : See, that just makes no sense whatsover. You can claim either: 1) Adding AMD64 would increase the mirror load unacceptably OR 2) Removing ARM would not have a significant effect on the mirror load but not both at

Re: Status of 'sarge' for the amd64 architecture

2005-04-25 Thread Andreas Barth
* Josselin Mouette ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050425 18:20]: Le lundi 25 avril 2005 à 16:54 +0200, Jeroen van Wolffelaar a écrit : See, that just makes no sense whatsover. You can claim either: 1) Adding AMD64 would increase the mirror load unacceptably OR 2) Removing ARM would not have

Re: Status of 'sarge' for the amd64 architecture

2005-04-24 Thread Uwe A. P. Wuerdinger
Adrian Bunk schrieb: On Sat, Apr 23, 2005 at 01:20:42PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: On Sat, Apr 23, 2005 at 04:24:28PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: A silly question to you as release manager: What exactly are the technical reasons why amd64 can't simply be shipped as 12th architecture with sarge?

Re: Status of 'sarge' for the amd64 architecture

2005-04-23 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, Apr 23, 2005 at 07:55:52AM +0200, Andreas Jochens wrote: Steve Langasek wrote: Andreas Jochens wrote: It will only be necessary to describe the current situation in the official release documents and include pointers to the separate amd64 archive, which will be provided by

Re: Status of 'sarge' for the amd64 architecture

2005-04-23 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Sat, Apr 23, 2005 at 12:26:45AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: Well, the other big ones would be the installer, being synced up on sources, and the ability to do point releases. It seems the first two are addressed, and the third seems to be more or less the same question as that of

Re: Status of 'sarge' for the amd64 architecture

2005-04-23 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Sat, 23 Apr 2005, Adrian Bunk wrote: A silly question to you as release manager: Silly indeed. Use the list archives. You cannot miss the monstruous threads about it. What exactly are the technical reasons why amd64 can't simply be shipped as 12th architecture with sarge? Mirror space.

Re: Status of 'sarge' for the amd64 architecture

2005-04-23 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Sat, Apr 23, 2005 at 11:40:03AM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: On Sat, 23 Apr 2005, Adrian Bunk wrote: A silly question to you as release manager: Silly indeed. Use the list archives. You cannot miss the monstruous threads about it. I didn't miss the threads, but much of it

Re: Status of 'sarge' for the amd64 architecture

2005-04-23 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Sat, 23 Apr 2005, Adrian Bunk wrote: I might have missed this email in the huge threads, but could you point me to an email explaining why increasing the archive space by less than 10% exacly hits a hard limit in mirror space? No, I cannot. -- One disk to rule them all, One disk to

Re: Status of 'sarge' for the amd64 architecture

2005-04-23 Thread Andreas Jochens
Hello Steve, thank you for your reply to my status report. Steve Langasek wrote: Andreas Jochens wrote: It will only be necessary to describe the current situation in the official release documents and include pointers to the separate amd64 archive, which will be provided by the amd64

Re: Status of 'sarge' for the amd64 architecture

2005-04-23 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, Apr 23, 2005 at 04:24:28PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: On Sat, Apr 23, 2005 at 12:26:45AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: Well, the other big ones would be the installer, being synced up on sources, and the ability to do point releases. It seems the first two are addressed, and the

Re: Status of 'sarge' for the amd64 architecture

2005-04-23 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Sat, Apr 23, 2005 at 01:20:42PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: On Sat, Apr 23, 2005 at 04:24:28PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: A silly question to you as release manager: What exactly are the technical reasons why amd64 can't simply be shipped as 12th architecture with sarge? We are

Re: Status of 'sarge' for the amd64 architecture

2005-04-23 Thread Miquel van Smoorenburg
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Henrique de Moraes Holschuh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 23 Apr 2005, Adrian Bunk wrote: A silly question to you as release manager: Silly indeed. Use the list archives. You cannot miss the monstruous threads about it. What exactly are the technical reasons

Re: Status of 'sarge' for the amd64 architecture

2005-04-23 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote: We are already running into size constraints (on an ongoing basis) with our mirrors We dont need to have all architectures on all mirrors. And for the less-often used architectures we event dont need to care, since one or two mirrors can easyly hold a

Re: Status of 'sarge' for the amd64 architecture

2005-04-23 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le samedi 23 avril 2005 à 13:20 -0700, Steve Langasek a écrit : We are already running into size constraints (on an ongoing basis) with our mirrors due to the size of the archive. Given that - if I believe the security team [1] - we are not able to provide security updates for arm, even in

Re: Status of 'sarge' for the amd64 architecture

2005-04-23 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Apr 24, 2005 at 12:12:42AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le samedi 23 avril 2005 à 13:20 -0700, Steve Langasek a écrit : We are already running into size constraints (on an ongoing basis) with our mirrors due to the size of the archive. Given that - if I believe the security team

Re: Status of 'sarge' for the amd64 architecture

2005-04-23 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le samedi 23 avril 2005 à 15:18 -0700, Steve Langasek a écrit : If we dropped arm, it would be to drop arm, not to trade it for something -- it's way too late to be talking about adding amd64 to the main archive for sarge. Why? If the amd64 archive already uses the same sources as the main

Re: Status of 'sarge' for the amd64 architecture

2005-04-23 Thread Andreas Barth
* Josselin Mouette ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050424 00:15]: Le samedi 23 avril 2005 à 13:20 -0700, Steve Langasek a écrit : We are already running into size constraints (on an ongoing basis) with our mirrors due to the size of the archive. Given that - if I believe the security team [1] - we are

Re: Status of 'sarge' for the amd64 architecture

2005-04-23 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Sun, Apr 24, 2005 at 12:12:42AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le samedi 23 avril 2005 à 13:20 -0700, Steve Langasek a écrit : We are already running into size constraints (on an ongoing basis) with our mirrors due to the size of the archive. Given that - if I believe the security team

Re: Status of 'sarge' for the amd64 architecture

2005-04-23 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Sun, Apr 24, 2005 at 12:24:44AM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: * Josselin Mouette ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050424 00:15]: Le samedi 23 avril 2005 à 13:20 -0700, Steve Langasek a écrit : We are already running into size constraints (on an ongoing basis) with our mirrors due to the size of

Re: Status of 'sarge' for the amd64 architecture

2005-04-23 Thread Andreas Barth
* Adrian Bunk ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050424 00:30]: On Sun, Apr 24, 2005 at 12:12:42AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le samedi 23 avril 2005 à 13:20 -0700, Steve Langasek a écrit : We are already running into size constraints (on an ongoing basis) with our mirrors due to the size of

Re: Status of 'sarge' for the amd64 architecture

2005-04-23 Thread Darren Salt
I demand that Bernd Eckenfels may or may not have written... In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote: We are already running into size constraints (on an ongoing basis) with our mirrors We dont need to have all architectures on all mirrors. And for the less-often used architectures we event

Re: Status of 'sarge' for the amd64 architecture

2005-04-23 Thread Branden J. Moore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 23 Apr 2005, Steve Langasek wrote: On Sat, Apr 23, 2005 at 04:24:28PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: On Sat, Apr 23, 2005 at 12:26:45AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: A silly question to you as release manager: What exactly are the technical reasons

Re: Status of 'sarge' for the amd64 architecture

2005-04-23 Thread Miquel van Smoorenburg
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Apr 24, 2005 at 12:12:42AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le samedi 23 avril 2005 à 13:20 -0700, Steve Langasek a écrit : We are already running into size constraints (on an ongoing basis) with our mirrors due to

Status of 'sarge' for the amd64 architecture

2005-04-22 Thread Andreas Jochens
As a preparation for the amd64 porters irc meeting tomorrow, I tried to build the complete Debian sarge archive for the amd64 architecture from the unpatched Debian sarge sources. It took about a week to build all 8800+ source packages on a standard single processor EM64T-P4 box (Every package

Re: Status of 'sarge' for the amd64 architecture

2005-04-22 Thread Steve Langasek
Hi Andreas, On Fri, Apr 22, 2005 at 08:05:17PM +0200, Andreas Jochens wrote: I consider this a good way to split up responsibilities. This way of handling things could serve as a good example of how other ports may be organized after sarge is released. I certainly agree with that;

Re: Status of 'sarge' for the amd64 architecture

2005-04-22 Thread Frederik Schueler
Hello, On Fri, Apr 22, 2005 at 08:05:17PM +0200, Andreas Jochens wrote: As a preparation for the amd64 porters irc meeting tomorrow, I tried to build the complete Debian sarge archive for the amd64 architecture from the unpatched Debian sarge sources. The result was very encouraging.