Re: Throwing out random thoughts about the whole non-free imbraglio

2002-11-25 Thread Junichi Uekawa
> > What is annoying is that by producing this, who would benefit ? > > > > Many scripts are hardcoded with the location of non-free etc. > > Why? I submit that any script that has that is buggy. They should be using > apt anyway. I suspect they will be generating apt configuration files, or

Re: Throwing out random thoughts about the whole non-free imbraglio

2002-11-25 Thread John Goerzen
On Sun, Nov 24, 2002 at 10:28:34AM +0900, Junichi Uekawa wrote: > What is annoying is that by producing this, who would benefit ? > > Many scripts are hardcoded with the location of non-free etc. Why? I submit that any script that has that is buggy. They should be using apt anyway.

Re: Throwing out random thoughts about the whole non-free imbraglio

2002-11-24 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Sun, Nov 24, 2002 at 10:15:00AM -0500, Colin Walters wrote: > On Sun, 2002-11-24 at 04:10, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > > Actually John, you and Branden seem to be about the only people posting in > > support of the GR. No doubt there are others who agree, but what makes > > you think there are so ma

Re: Throwing out random thoughts about the whole non-free imbraglio

2002-11-24 Thread Colin Walters
On Sun, 2002-11-24 at 04:10, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > On Sat, Nov 23, 2002 at 08:34:19AM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: > > On Sat, Nov 23, 2002 at 01:25:23AM -0500, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > > > would be a positive improvement over the status quo); I wonder what > > > Debian > > > developers who supp

Re: Throwing out random thoughts about the whole non-free imbraglio

2002-11-24 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Sat, Nov 23, 2002 at 08:34:19AM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: > On Sat, Nov 23, 2002 at 01:25:23AM -0500, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > > would be a positive improvement over the status quo); I wonder what Debian > > developers who support non-free think of these ideas? > > It must feel good to total

Re: Throwing out random thoughts about the whole non-free imbraglio

2002-11-24 Thread Junichi Uekawa
> > * Abandon non-free entirely, but have SPI sponsor a apt-gettable server > > (third-party.debian.org) for third-party developers to put .deb packages > > on. > I'd already raised this possibility before (moving non-free out of Debian > but to some other SPI project). It doesn't have to be

Re: Throwing out random thoughts about the whole non-free imbraglio

2002-11-23 Thread John Goerzen
On Sat, Nov 23, 2002 at 01:25:23AM -0500, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > * Abandon non-free entirely, but have SPI sponsor a apt-gettable server > (third-party.debian.org) for third-party developers to put .deb packages on. I'd already raised this possibility before (moving non-free out of Debian bu

Re: Throwing out random thoughts about the whole non-free imbraglio

2002-11-23 Thread sean finney
On Sat, Nov 23, 2002 at 01:25:23AM -0500, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > There's a real complaint: confused users and developers think that 'non-free' > is part of the Debian distribution. How to solve this without slaying > non-free? Here are some ideas, in increasing degree of drasticness. > > *

Throwing out random thoughts about the whole non-free imbraglio

2002-11-23 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Branden said: >There's always[1] going to be some new non-free thing for which there >isn't yet a free replacement. xpdf-japanese et al. didn't exist in 1997 So you admit that the original motivation for non-free is *still valid*! >when we adopted the Social Contract, as far as I know. So I don