Re: US mirror troubles

2007-09-07 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
I opened an upstream bug report with ntp. But I would rather see the default get changed. I think there are just too many people/applications that assume a certain behaviour that's different then what we have now. Exactly, especially in IPv4 round robin using DNS is a a de-facto

Re: US mirror troubles

2007-09-07 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: I opened an upstream bug report with ntp. But I would rather see the default get changed. I think there are just too many people/applications that assume a certain behaviour that's different then what we have now. Exactly, especially in

Re: US mirror troubles

2007-09-07 Thread Steinar H. Gunderson
On Fri, Sep 07, 2007 at 12:21:02PM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: Imho Debian's ctte should decide about this, and if they decide to have sorted IPv4 addresses by default, somebody needs to take care that _ALL_ programs using IPv4 are changed. Including browsers, IM clients and all daemons which

Re: US mirror troubles

2007-09-07 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote: On Fri, Sep 07, 2007 at 12:21:02PM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: Imho Debian's ctte should decide about this, and if they decide to have sorted IPv4 addresses by default, somebody needs to take care that _ALL_ programs using IPv4 are changed.

Re: US mirror troubles

2007-09-07 Thread Michael Banck
On Fri, Sep 07, 2007 at 06:40:19PM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: Is there any advantage for that default in Debian? Anyone who cares about network proximity on round-robin IPv4 already knows to pick one host and to stop using the round-robin names. There's a configure option for

Re: US mirror troubles

2007-09-07 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Sat, 08 Sep 2007, Michael Banck wrote: On Fri, Sep 07, 2007 at 06:40:19PM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: Is there any advantage for that default in Debian? Anyone who cares about network proximity on round-robin IPv4 already knows to pick one host and to stop using the

Re: US mirror troubles

2007-09-06 Thread Martin Zobel-Helas
Hi, On Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 20:41:51 -0500, John Goerzen wrote: Hi, 35.9.37.225, in http.us.debian.org, and ftp.us.debian.org, has been unreachable on port 80 from all the networks I have access to for days. This is ftp.egr.msu.edu. created as RT#171 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] /root]# man

Re: US mirror troubles

2007-09-06 Thread Johan Kullstam
John Goerzen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, 35.9.37.225, in http.us.debian.org, and ftp.us.debian.org, has been unreachable on port 80 from all the networks I have access to for days. This is ftp.egr.msu.edu. It is also still listed at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list It is listed bad

Re: US mirror troubles

2007-09-06 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Thu, Sep 06, 2007 at 09:24:24AM -0400, Johan Kullstam wrote: I also notice that we have 4 servers listed under the name http.us.debian.org Using host from bind9-host, $ host http.us.debian.org http.us.debian.org has address 128.101.240.212 http.us.debian.org has address 204.152.191.7

Re: US mirror troubles

2007-09-06 Thread Julien Cristau
On Thu, Sep 6, 2007 at 09:24:24 -0400, Johan Kullstam wrote: However, libc6 resolv+ (I think - can someone confirm who is to blame?) goes out of its way to *sort* the list by IP number and thus thwarts the round-robin. Aptitude (and wget, c) *always* choose 35.9.37.225. This server must be

Re: US mirror troubles

2007-09-06 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Thu, Sep 06, 2007 at 09:24:24AM -0400, Johan Kullstam wrote: Using host from bind9-host, $ host http.us.debian.org http.us.debian.org has address 128.101.240.212 http.us.debian.org has address 204.152.191.7 http.us.debian.org has address 35.9.37.225 http.us.debian.org has address

Re: US mirror troubles

2007-09-06 Thread Joey Hess
Kurt Roeckx wrote: See http://bugs.debian.org/438179 This bug was closed by adding a config option. Why wasn't it cloned to all the network clients (apt, ntp, etc) that exhibit undesirable behavior due to this change in glibc? Perhaps because the list is too long for anyone to enumerate it. --

Re: US mirror troubles

2007-09-06 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Thu, Sep 06, 2007 at 04:19:51PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: Kurt Roeckx wrote: See http://bugs.debian.org/438179 This bug was closed by adding a config option. Why wasn't it cloned to all the network clients (apt, ntp, etc) that exhibit undesirable behavior due to this change in glibc?

Re: US mirror troubles

2007-09-06 Thread Johan Kullstam
Kurt Roeckx [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, Sep 06, 2007 at 09:24:24AM -0400, Johan Kullstam wrote: Using host from bind9-host, $ host http.us.debian.org http.us.debian.org has address 128.101.240.212 http.us.debian.org has address 204.152.191.7 http.us.debian.org has address

Re: US mirror troubles

2007-09-06 Thread Simon Paillard
On Wed, Sep 05, 2007 at 08:41:51PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: 35.9.37.225, in http.us.debian.org, and ftp.us.debian.org, has been unreachable on port 80 from all the networks I have access to for days. This is ftp.egr.msu.edu. Its admin are in BCC of this mail. It is also still listed at

US mirror troubles

2007-09-05 Thread John Goerzen
Hi, 35.9.37.225, in http.us.debian.org, and ftp.us.debian.org, has been unreachable on port 80 from all the networks I have access to for days. This is ftp.egr.msu.edu. It is also still listed at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list It is listed bad at http://mirror.debian.org/status.html Can

Re: US mirror troubles

2007-09-05 Thread Tom Moore
I get the same thing as well. Lots of my machines hang on pulling package lists sometimes, and they hang for sure on package updates. Tom On Wed, Sep 05, 2007 at 08:41:51PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: Hi, 35.9.37.225, in http.us.debian.org, and ftp.us.debian.org, has been unreachable on