Re: RFC: ssl-cert2 design [Was: Re: Using the SSL snakeoil certificate]

2006-07-28 Thread Lars Wirzenius
pe, 2006-07-28 kello 00:03 +0100, James Westby kirjoitti: * Make it easier for package maintainers - One extra dh_ call and maybe one more file in debian/ How badly is this tied to debhelper? Any chance of designing it so that it doesn't require debhelper? -- One does not see anything

Re: RFC: ssl-cert2 design [Was: Re: Using the SSL snakeoil certificate]

2006-07-28 Thread James Westby
On (28/07/06 10:03), Lars Wirzenius wrote: pe, 2006-07-28 kello 00:03 +0100, James Westby kirjoitti: * Make it easier for package maintainers - One extra dh_ call and maybe one more file in debian/ How badly is this tied to debhelper? Any chance of designing it so that it doesn't

Re: RFC: ssl-cert2 design [Was: Re: Using the SSL snakeoil certificate]

2006-07-28 Thread Lars Wirzenius
pe, 2006-07-28 kello 10:53 +0100, James Westby kirjoitti: On (28/07/06 10:03), Lars Wirzenius wrote: pe, 2006-07-28 kello 00:03 +0100, James Westby kirjoitti: * Make it easier for package maintainers - One extra dh_ call and maybe one more file in debian/ How badly is this tied

Re: RFC: ssl-cert2 design [Was: Re: Using the SSL snakeoil certificate]

2006-07-28 Thread James Westby
On (28/07/06 13:16), Lars Wirzenius wrote: pe, 2006-07-28 kello 10:53 +0100, James Westby kirjoitti: I don't like it when people make using helper packages de facto required. And debhelper isn't standard (meaning that you can expect everyone to use it), merely very common. It is also very

RFC: ssl-cert2 design [Was: Re: Using the SSL snakeoil certificate]

2006-07-27 Thread James Westby
Warning, long email. Executive summary. == * More consistent handling of SSL certs would be nice. * The proposed ssl-cert package is not in good shape. ssl-cert2 from http://jameswestby.net/debian/ssl-cert2-0.1.tar.gz aims to * Make it easier for package maintainers

Re: Using the SSL snakeoil certificate

2006-07-24 Thread Milan P. Stanic
On Sun, Jul 23, 2006 at 08:37:50PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: Milan P. Stanic wrote: Sorry if I misunderstand something, but is it okay to call it snakeoil if it is real certificate? I like to say that the symbolic links for per-service certificate shouldn't point to something called

Re: Using the SSL snakeoil certificate

2006-07-24 Thread Peter Palfrader
On Mon, 24 Jul 2006, Milan P. Stanic wrote: On Sun, Jul 23, 2006 at 08:37:50PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: Milan P. Stanic wrote: Sorry if I misunderstand something, but is it okay to call it snakeoil if it is real certificate? I like to say that the symbolic links for per-service

Re: Using the SSL snakeoil certificate

2006-07-24 Thread Milan P. Stanic
On Mon, Jul 24, 2006 at 12:43:16PM +0200, Peter Palfrader wrote: On Mon, 24 Jul 2006, Milan P. Stanic wrote: But then you must change all symlinks to that new real certificate. That's why on my systems all the service names symlink to thishost.{pem,key} and that is itself a symlink to the

Re: Using the SSL snakeoil certificate

2006-07-23 Thread Martin Schulze
Milan P. Stanic wrote: For example: Dovecot uses /etc/ssl/certs/dovecot.pem. This is a symbolic link to /etc/ssl/certs/ssl-cert-snakeoil.pem if the above file or link does not exist during configuration of dovecot. That way, the admin can easily replace the symlink

Re: Using the SSL snakeoil certificate

2006-07-20 Thread Martin Schulze
Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote: In bug #376146, Martin Pitt wrote: In an effort to clean up the SSL certificate mess on Ubuntu servers, we recently converted all our supported Server packages to make use of the ssl-cert package instead of creating a package-specific self-signed SSL certificate.

Re: Using the SSL snakeoil certificate

2006-07-20 Thread Klaus Ethgen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am Do den 20. Jul 2006 um 11:24 schrieb Martin Schulze: [one cert for all services] I believe that this is a good idea, however, I would like to propose a slightly different approach. At the moment, it seems that all applications use their own

Re: Using the SSL snakeoil certificate

2006-07-20 Thread Martin Schulze
(please copy debian-devel, feel free to bounce my mail there after you've done so, for others to be able to comment as well). Klaus Ethgen wrote: Am Do den 20. Jul 2006 um 11:24 schrieb Martin Schulze: [one cert for all services] I believe that this is a good idea, however, I would like to

Re: Using the SSL snakeoil certificate

2006-07-20 Thread Milan P. Stanic
On Thu, Jul 20, 2006 at 11:24:34AM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: For example: Dovecot uses /etc/ssl/certs/dovecot.pem. This is a symbolic link to /etc/ssl/certs/ssl-cert-snakeoil.pem if the above file or link does not exist during configuration of dovecot. That way, the admin

Re: Using the SSL snakeoil certificate

2006-07-20 Thread tony mancill
On Thu, Jul 20, 2006 at 11:24:34AM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: Hence, I propose to stay with virtual per-service certificates, but to link them to the common snakeoil certificate from ssl-certificates during configuration and only if there is no other setting. For example: Dovecot

Re: Using the SSL snakeoil certificate

2006-07-04 Thread Uwe A. P. Würdinger
James Westby schrieb: On (03/07/06 23:34), Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: [Jaldhar H. Vyas] Is this is a good idea for Debian? I think it is but it doesn't make sense to switch dovecot over unless all the other ssl-cert using packages also do it. Is this possible in the etch timeframe? Yes, it

Re: Using the SSL snakeoil certificate

2006-07-04 Thread Adam Borowski
On Tue, Jul 04, 2006 at 02:38:30PM +0200, Uwe A. P. Würdinger wrote: James Westby schrieb: An estimate of the pacakages that generate a certificate in postinst (lets hope there are none that include them in the package) I tried: $ grep-available -FDepends openssl -sPackage -n | sort Well

Re: Using the SSL snakeoil certificate

2006-07-03 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Jaldhar H. Vyas] Is this is a good idea for Debian? I think it is but it doesn't make sense to switch dovecot over unless all the other ssl-cert using packages also do it. Is this possible in the etch timeframe? Yes, it is a good idea to make the SSL certificate handling in Debian packages

Re: Using the SSL snakeoil certificate

2006-07-03 Thread James Westby
On (03/07/06 23:34), Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: [Jaldhar H. Vyas] Is this is a good idea for Debian? I think it is but it doesn't make sense to switch dovecot over unless all the other ssl-cert using packages also do it. Is this possible in the etch timeframe? Yes, it is a good idea

Re: Using the SSL snakeoil certificate

2006-07-02 Thread Brian May
Jaldhar == Jaldhar H Vyas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In an effort to clean up the SSL certificate mess on Ubuntu servers, we recently converted all our supported Server packages to make use of the ssl-cert package instead of creating a package-specific self-signed SSL

Re: Using the SSL snakeoil certificate

2006-07-02 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Mon, 03 Jul 2006, Brian May wrote: I don't expect such a system to implement virtual hosting without system administrator intervention, but a naming convention for the files We must make this intervention easy, but other than that... that supports virtual hosts would be even better IMHO,

Using the SSL snakeoil certificate

2006-06-30 Thread Jaldhar H. Vyas
Following up to myself with a proper subject line. In bug #376146, Martin Pitt wrote: In an effort to clean up the SSL certificate mess on Ubuntu servers, we recently converted all our supported Server packages to make use of the ssl-cert package instead of creating a package-specific

Re: Using the SSL snakeoil certificate

2006-06-30 Thread James Westby
On (30/06/06 10:51), Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote: Following up to myself with a proper subject line. In bug #376146, Martin Pitt wrote: In an effort to clean up the SSL certificate mess on Ubuntu servers, we recently converted all our supported Server packages to make use of the ssl-cert