Which problem are we trying to solve? (Was: divergence from upstream as a bug)

2008-05-18 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 18/05/08 at 16:27 +0200, Bas Wijnen wrote: On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 03:18:12PM +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote: But the problem we want to solve is making things easier for upstreams. Oh? When I read the proposal, I understood that the problem we want to solve is about tracking changes we

Re: Which problem are we trying to solve? (Was: divergence from upstream as a bug)

2008-05-18 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 03:05:41PM +, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: On 18/05/08 at 16:27 +0200, Bas Wijnen wrote: On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 03:18:12PM +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote: But the problem we want to solve is making things easier for upstreams. Oh? When I read the proposal, I

Re: Which problem are we trying to solve? (Was: divergence from upstream as a bug)

2008-05-18 Thread Neil Williams
On Sun, 2008-05-18 at 17:05 +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: On 18/05/08 at 16:27 +0200, Bas Wijnen wrote: On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 03:18:12PM +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote: But the problem we want to solve is making things easier for upstreams. Oh? When I read the proposal, I understood

Re: Which problem are we trying to solve? (Was: divergence from upstream as a bug)

2008-05-18 Thread Miriam Ruiz
2008/5/18 Lucas Nussbaum [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The problem I am interested in solving is: It is currently difficult for people not involved in Debian development (upstream, other distros, users) to know which patches we applied, the reason for the patch, and whether they should be interested

Re: Which problem are we trying to solve? (Was: divergence from upstream as a bug)

2008-05-18 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 18/05/08 at 16:44 +0100, Neil Williams wrote: On Sun, 2008-05-18 at 17:05 +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: On 18/05/08 at 16:27 +0200, Bas Wijnen wrote: On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 03:18:12PM +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote: But the problem we want to solve is making things easier for

Re: Which problem are we trying to solve? (Was: divergence from upstream as a bug)

2008-05-18 Thread Neil Williams
On Sun, 2008-05-18 at 18:22 +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: The problem I am interested in solving is: It is currently difficult for people not involved in Debian development (upstream, other distros, users) to know which patches we applied, the reason for the patch, and whether

Re: Which problem are we trying to solve? (Was: divergence from upstream as a bug)

2008-05-18 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
(please don't remove Ccs. I added one for a reason) On 18/05/08 at 18:02 +0100, Neil Williams wrote: On Sun, 2008-05-18 at 18:22 +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: The problem I am interested in solving is: It is currently difficult for people not involved in Debian development

Re: Which problem are we trying to solve? (Was: divergence from upstream as a bug)

2008-05-18 Thread Neil Williams
On Sun, 2008-05-18 at 19:39 +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: (please don't remove Ccs. I added one for a reason) (Not sure you want d-devel and direct since I know you are subscribed, so removed that one. :-)) That sounds logical to have both: - they know that distro devs are not perfect and

Re: Which problem are we trying to solve? (Was: divergence from upstream as a bug)

2008-05-18 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
(you can skip to the end for a summary of what I think we agree on) On 18/05/08 at 19:49 +0100, Neil Williams wrote: I still like the two-stage closure option because sometimes we just need to upload a fix before an upstream release can be made and the bug submitter should know that the

Re: Which problem are we trying to solve? (Was: divergence from upstream as a bug)

2008-05-18 Thread Neil Williams
On Sun, 2008-05-18 at 21:40 +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: (you can skip to the end for a summary of what I think we agree on) The only thing that he would additionaly get is a notification when the change is applied upstream and fixed in Debian by a new upstream version. Don echoed