Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas? Debian official update sub-release

2006-08-30 Thread Martin Schulze
John Goerzen wrote: On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 05:09:54PM +0200, Joey Schulze wrote: ciol wrote: The problem is that Debian doesn't speak a lot about nice features like volatile and backports, for instance in the official web site, where it's difficult to see the links. The... err...

Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas? Debian official update sub-release

2006-08-29 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 10:26:22AM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: [volatile and backports] As it is, it is unclear to me who is building those packages, of what quality they are, and what kind of security support they are receiving. Volatile was set up by Andreas Barth, and is maintained by Andreas

Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas? Debian official update sub-release

2006-08-28 Thread Mgr. Peter Tuharsky
To make the picture more complete, not only desktop needs current software. The Debian on server lacks sometimes too. Few examples: PHP5, bunch of Clamav-related packages for proxy and mail interaction, Squid3. They're in Etch, however if released as official update of Debian, should do.

Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas? Debian official update sub-release

2006-08-28 Thread Martin Wuertele
* Mgr. Peter Tuharsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-08-28 12:05]: To make the picture more complete, not only desktop needs current software. The Debian on server lacks sometimes too. Few examples: PHP5, bunch of Clamav-related packages for proxy and mail interaction, Squid3. They're in Etch,

Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas? Debian official update sub-release

2006-08-28 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Aug 28, Martin Wuertele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whoo no way! I don't want to updated my servers more than once 18-24 months. I don't need php5, specs says php4 and php5, squid does it's job very good and clamav from volatile rounds the package up. Then don't. The problem for people like

Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas? Debian official update sub-release

2006-08-28 Thread ciol
Martin Wuertele wrote: Clamav is in volatile, php5 in backports, haven't checked squid3. The problem is that Debian doesn't speak a lot about nice features like volatile and backports, for instance in the official web site, where it's difficult to see the links. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email

Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas? Debian official update sub-release

2006-08-28 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Marco d'Itri wrote: On Aug 28, Martin Wuertele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] You don't run a lot of servers if you want to update them more frequently. You don't run a lot of servers either if you never need versions of many different packages

Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas? Debian official update sub-release

2006-08-28 Thread Martin Wuertele
* Marco d'Itri [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-08-28 12:35]: You don't run a lot of servers either if you never need versions of many different packages more recent than a couple of years. That's when backports and chroots comes in. yours Martin -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux - The

Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas? Debian official update sub-release

2006-08-28 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Aug 28, Martin Wuertele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You don't run a lot of servers either if you never need versions of many different packages more recent than a couple of years. That's when backports and chroots comes in. Backports have dubious quality and do not get real security support.

Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas? Debian official update sub-release

2006-08-28 Thread Joey Schulze
ciol wrote: Clamav is in volatile, php5 in backports, haven't checked squid3. ... squid3 is in *gosh* testing. The problem is that Debian doesn't speak a lot about nice features like volatile and backports, for instance in the official web site, where it's difficult to see the links.

Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas? Debian official update sub-release

2006-08-28 Thread John Goerzen
On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 05:09:54PM +0200, Joey Schulze wrote: ciol wrote: The problem is that Debian doesn't speak a lot about nice features like volatile and backports, for instance in the official web site, where it's difficult to see the links. The... err... issue is that these